Episode 270: The Barbie Movie
Episode 270: The Barbie Movie
August 27, 2023
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SARAH: hey what's up hello welcome to Sounds Fake but Okay a podcast where an aro ace girl, I’m Sarah, that's me
KAYLA: and a bi demisexual girl that's me Kayla
SARAH: talk about all things to do with love, relationships, sexuality and pretty much anything else we just don't understand
KAYLA: on today's episode Barbie is aro ace
SARAH AND KAYLA: sounds fake but okay
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SARAH: Welcome back to the pod! I was really afraid that I was going to forget the intro
KAYLA: we are so back
SARAH: we're so back
KAYLA: we're so back
SARAH: and we're also so back by recording so late at night
KAYLA: it's so late. I'm so sleepy. I have such a headache from accidentally huffing refrigerant let's go
SARAH: the entire time we were on break I never had to leave work late and
KAYLA: Not once
SARAH: then today
KAYLA: today your boss said I can sense it
SARAH: I can sense it
KAYLA: I sense you have somewhere else to be
SARAH: how was everyone's break? did you have a good time
KAYLA: did y'all have fun? did you miss us? were you sad?
SARAH: I just remembered that Kayla got covid
KAYLA: I had a very busy break. I went to Europe, I came back, I went to a music festival, I got covid, everything in my house broke
SARAH: I did nothing
KAYLA: I'm kind of jealous so there’s that
SARAH: I got a haircut but it's the same haircut as before
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: anyway alright I hope everyone didn't get covid
KAYLA: yeah me too it's been going around though. She's out there
SARAH: knock on wood I've still never gotten it
KAYLA: (sighs) it's crazy
SARAH: it is because again I don't do anything. Alright so do we have any housekeeping? We're back, bitches
KAYLA: we're so back. Should we… should we?
SARAH: next time I think once we have more concrete information
SARAH: okay anyway you'll never know
KAYLA: You’ll never know. Actually some of you do know some of them do know though
SARAH: how do they know
KAYLA: because you told them in person live
SARAH: oh right anyway, anyway this week we were talking about the Barbie movie and in your heads I'm sure all of you are saying guys that movie came out
KAYLA: It’s over
SARAH: a month ago correct this movie came out right before we went on break and then
KAYLA: we honestly could have done it was
SARAH: It was
KAYLA: like the first week of break and we didn't need to be on break yet but
SARAH: We could’ve but it was break time
KAYLA: it was break time
SARAH: yeah because we're on the cutting edge of everything all the time
KAYLA: as usual we are on it!
SARAH: so now we're talking about the Barbie movie but you know what it was just very thoughtful of us because we gave all of you the chance to see it
KAYLA: We did
SARAH: you know like you didn't have to
KAYLA: And now you can’t complain about being spoiled
SARAH: right, you didn't have to see it that first week to understand the podcast we gave you a whole month to see this movie
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: and then I very bravely went and saw it again this sunday as a refresher
KAYLA: In a flash flood
SARAH: in a hurricane, okay it was a tropical storm
KAYLA: your phone said it was a flash flood
SARAH: I also got another notification that the flash flood warning was extended five minutes before I left
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: and they were like stay in your home don't leave unless you're fleeing
KAYLA: Were you and the people that bought tickets right up next to the screen the only people there?
SARAH: no so there were people when I first bought my tickets there were people who had gotten tickets right in the front row off to the very side, and I was like what kind of unhinged person
KAYLA: not even in the middle. Wild behavior.
SARAH: I don't think those people showed up or if they did they didn't sit in those seats but there were other people there okay anyway but then I was also like trying to I realized part way through that I wanted to take some notes so I was trying to like surreptitiously
KAYLA: Yeah respectfully
SARAH: get my phone out without being like disruptive luckily there was no one else in my row but anyway
KAYLA: The notes were bad, by the way. Unreadable.
SARAH: oh yeah the notes were gibberish
KAYLA: I'm usually pretty good at reading Sarah's gibberish even this I was really having a struggle
SARAH: yeah I mean even the notes at the end I couldn't read so
KAYLA: yeah so so who knows what's gonna happen?
SARAH: so. let's talk about the Barbie movie
KAYLA: yet again we bring you an episode dedicated to
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KAYLA: a Greta Gerwig movie in which we head canon the main character as aspec
SARAH: so true
KAYLA: can't wait for Greta Gerwig's next work we should really start getting screeners at this point
SARAH: I know, well and also some people have said that ladybird is also like I saw I saw a tweet that was saying that they were all actually lesbian movies
KAYLA: Interesting
SARAH: which like agree to disagree but yeah I think ladybird also does fit in that category
KAYLA: I love that. I haven't watched ladybird in a long time I'd have to re-watch
SARAH: why was I just looking through the images we've sent each other why was I looking for something oh I was looking for the screenshot
KAYLA: of your bad notes?
SARAH: why are they not showing up screenshots oh there's a separate section for screenshots I'm so sorry well what where the fuck are they? Actually genuinely really confused
KAYLA: now I have to look
SARAH: why is this image not showing up
KAYLA: I see it
SARAH: it's not showing up
KAYLA: I have it your phone was on airplane mode when you sent it
SARAH: oh my phone was not on airplane mode but I was in the basement that's why it's not showing up on my computer is because I sent it from my phone and it sent as a text
KAYLA: well
SARAH: my favorite bit of the notes that I sent you so this is just like a sneak preview of what this episode is going to be. My favorite one is “when she had fhe cushions see bavs the billie eilish sonf what as I maxe mlde now that ir not maxe fo be a wkcr a loserf other eg”
KAYLA: yeah I had no idea what that one was
SARAH: Me neither
KAYLA: I had no idea.
SARAH: Good. Anyway
KAYLA: good
SARAH: let's begin yes what are
KAYLA: should we do like initial just like overarching thoughts of the movie in general?
SARAH: sure you go first
KAYLA: loved, loved it
SARAH: slay
KAYLA: Perfect movie
SARAH: Banger
KAYLA: I really should have watched it again because it's been like a month since I've seen it but I went with three of my – what do you okay here's the thing is it's like weird to call your friends that are girls girlfriends because it's like I'm not 80 and also they're not except they also all are. They're all my girlfriends
SARAH: they're just your friends
KAYLA: but I guess
SARAH: they're your friends
KAYLA: I didn't go with my guy friends though we made a concerted effort that it was just the girls
SARAH: I went with my local former porn writer
KAYLA: yeah, R.I.P
SARAH: rip
KAYLA: we should get him back on
SARAH: now that he’s out of the biz?
KAYLA: he's not now that he's out of the business we should get him back on, get the real tea
SARAH:: Get that guy back on this pod
KAYLA: anyway we all went, we all were pink everyone was wearing pink it was very fun because it was like the second day it was out or something but yeah I loved it, I cried. Great time
SARAH: yeah I thought it was a delight one of my thoughts one of the things that made me think about though
KAYLA: yes
SARAH: was as I was leaving the theater I was like and we'll get to this later but not first, but I would like to preview it which is which is that I was like I would be really curious to know what a non-binary reading on this movie would be yeah because it is very binary in the way that Barbie is Barbie and Ken is Ken
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: and we'll get to that, but I think first we should start with the real focus of this podcast which is aspec shit
KAYLA: yes and I'm very happy to see because I think obviously we all have our own thoughts about Barbie being aspec, but I feel like I saw a lot of people
SARAH: Mhm
KAYLA: saying similar things or at least that she was like ace lesbian so
SARAH: yeah
KAYLA: very exciting
SARAH: alright so Barbie is an aro ace. I think let's just establish that
KAYLA: let's get it out there
SARAH: we can do a little bit of context giving for those of you losers who haven't seen the movie
KAYLA: And what is your problem?
SARAH: come on at least see it once it's streaming come on anyway
KAYLA: come on
SARAH: come on
KAYLA: come on
SARAH: but in the movie so so Ken is like I want to impress you I want to like be your boyfriend like we're boyfriend girlfriend like can I spend the night at your house? and she's like why? like what why
KAYLA: what would we do?
SARAH: and he was like I actually don't know which was very funny
KAYLA: so good
SARAH: but also you know he he wants to do those traditional things even if he doesn't understand them
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: whereas she has never shown any interest in like being anything more than friends with Ken like at the beginning like he's like oh I want to impress her and she's just like hi Ken
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: hi Ken, hi Barbie, hi Barbie, hi Ken
KAYLA: hi Barbie
SARAH: and then as the movie goes on…
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SARAH: there are some circumstances where like even towards the end like she outright rejects him because he like tries to kiss her, like she makes him feel better about something and then he tries to kiss her and she's like no that's no
KAYLA: No no
SARAH: that's not what I meant by that
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: and she's also very like straightforward about that part and there's also a line I think it's in more of the first half of the movie and I don't know who says it, but somebody says it about – to Barbie about Ken which is he knows deep down that you don't like him the same way which is like everyone everyone around them can see that she does not have these same feelings for Ken that Ken has for her and that maybe some of the other Barbies have for their Kens or maybe other Barbies because one of the notes I did write during the movie was do you think there are lesbian Barbies?
KAYLA: there's definitely lesbian Barbies
SARAH: there's gotta be
KAYLA: because if in the logic of the movie like how your person plays with you in the outside affects
SARAH: yeah
KAYLA: and we all know people make their Barbies scissor
SARAH: why else was weird Barbie in the splits all the time
KAYLA: right exactly and like the reason Barbie has to leave Barbie land is because her human like fucked up when she was playing with her and now she's all sad
SARAH: she didn't fucked up she was just
KAYLA: you know
SARAH: she gave her cellulite Kayla
KAYLA: okay very depressed yes, but you know what I mean so like if it affects Barbie world how humans are playing with Barbie is then like there's a probably a lot of lesbian Barbies
SARAH: Right that's fair. That's very fair so I think that kind of hits on the especially arrow bit of it to me like I know some people are like oh she's a lesbian or whatever and it's like but like she shows no interest in romance at all
KAYLA: yeah I would say I think I've seen a lot of people talking about her and like America Ferrera’s character of like that's
SARAH: that's her human that's not
KAYLA: I know of like why she's a lesbian but yeah I also don't like I understand the appeal and I think this happened with like when people were like headcanoning Elsa as well that like when you don't see a female character going after a male character the automatic assumption is like well then she must be a lesbian people kind of like skip over like
SARAH: and that's just the amatonormativity
KAYLA: yeah so like I think logically understand why it's happening but yeah I just don't see it because I don't think she shows anything but like friendship towards
SARAH: anyone
KAYLA: anyone it like it just doesn't even seem to like cross her mind
SARAH: and to me I haven't seen any arguments about her and America Ferrera’s character, who was named Gloria by the way. I found that out
KAYLA: thank you
SARAH: I looked it up
KAYLA: Good
SARAH: but for context so Barbie as played by Margot Robbie is the Barbie that belongs to Gloria so real Gloria is from the real world and Barbie is her Barbie and what she does to her Barbie impacts Barbie in Barbie land
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: and so then when Barbie has to go to the real world to like fix her cellulite and flat feet
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: she meets Gloria and her daughter Sasha and blah blah blah blah but like to me that always felt like a very familial
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: relationship because like Barbie was so excited because she was going to the real world to meet her person like the person who was playing with her and at first she thought it was the daughter but then when she realized it was Gloria she was like oh my god like you're my person
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: and like that that always felt very familial to me and then in the end – I won't spoil it entirely but in the last scene she is in the car in the real world with Gloria, Gloria's husband and her daughter Sasha and they're like dropping her off somewhere
KAYLA: yeah it's like they like adopted her
SARAH: yeah like it felt so and they were like you know like good luck like you can do it like it felt really familial to me not that you can't drop someone off and say good luck if you're fucking them
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: but like
KAYLA: no yeah well because it feels very much like Barbie and Gloria are like they're obviously like in plot wise like soul connected right like
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: that's a human and her Barbie or whatever and they're both having issues and like that's why the the link between Barbie land and the real world got fucked up
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: but like to me they're just like too similar or like too parallel to me like put in a relationship like that like it does feel almost incestuous or like yeah you're like fucking your clone almost
SARAH: yeah I also think that –
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SARAH: I can see why some people would be like Gloria doesn't care about her husband because I
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: you know
KAYLA: she leaves him at home playing duolingo
SARAH: she's like you know what he's fine like I think she loves him but she's not like maybe maybe she's not maybe maybe Gloria's also aro
KAYLA: I think I can't remember exactly what I saw I saw something something about someone talking about her like when Barbie leaves Barbie land she doesn't initially bring Ken with her she like goes alone and when Gloria goes then to Barbie land later she also leaves her husband
SARAH: yeah well and her daughter Sasha is like what about dad? and she's like dad’ll be fine
KAYLA: He’ll be fine, yeah I don't I don't know if there's honestly that much to read into that other than like
SARAH: yeah
KAYLA: another joke about like Ken's being like yeah whatever
SARAH: but also just like you know I think some people took that and are like well she's not interested that much in her husband therefore she must be lesbian it's like that's not the only option that's not the only outcome that
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: can
KAYLA: you know what
SARAH: apply
KAYLA: I think is interesting back to like Barbie like never really having an interest in Ken so when Barbie goes to like weird Barbie and it's like my feet are flat I have cellulite
SARAH: for context when Barbie realizes things are going wrong she has to go to weird Barbie for weird Barbie to give her the answers to tell her what to do, and weird Barbie is the one who tells her she needs to go to the real world
KAYLA: yeah yeah so weird Barbie is kind of like oh the only thing this can mean is that like your human basically like quote unquote played with you wrong like something is happening with your human like your human must be sad or whatever that's why all this weird stuff is happening and weird Barbie is also like maybe it wasn't in this scene but in a later scene she was like well you might have done something quote unquote wrong too like there might be something wrong with you, and it made me think about how all the other Barbies are like very happy to be in whatever relationship they're in with their respective Ken whether they're like besties like we see with some of them or like in a relationship or whatever but it makes me think because yeah she never has an interest in Ken. When Ken goes to like kiss her or whatever she's just standing there like yeah okay
SARAH: and like it's played for laughs and it is funny
KAYLA: yeah but it's also like interesting
SARAH: yeah
KAYLA: it makes me wonder if like part of it was on Barbie's side too of like she is not following the stereotypical Barbie convention because she's supposed to be stereotypical Barbie and he's stereotypical Ken
SARAH: Right
KAYLA: but clearly like it was not working out the way
SARAH: yeah
KAYLA: it was supposed to
SARAH: yeah on the topic of her like not following the rules essentially. Towards the end she says like basically they're they're wrapping everything up and then Sasha says well what about what about Barbie? Like what does she get, what happens to her?
KAYLA: yeah because everyone's getting like their happy ending
SARAH: right and and at this point she has like explicitly rejected Ken and been like we can be friends but I'm not into you like that and she says I'm not sure where I belong I don't have an ending and that felt very aro ace to me in that like she'd been following the script like she had just been doing what was expected of her and what she thought she was supposed to do for so long, and now that she realizes that that's not what she wants or needs for herself she doesn't know what to do and like this, the journey of the film was her like putting her little aspec glasses on and now that she's wearing them she has to figure out what the next step is because it's no longer written out for her
KAYLA: right because in Barbie land it's very you know you follow the like Barbie and Ken's story but yeah now that she's seen the other side or like the outside world yeah there's not that like script. And interestingly before she says that the like CEO of Mattel Will Ferrell is like oh well she marries Ken like everyone's like what's Barbie's ending and Will Ferrell's immediately like well duh she ends up with Ken and everyone's like
SARAH: but no
KAYLA: and it's like very explicitly said like that's the stereotypical thing and then everyone's like no
SARAH: and like it's interesting too because within the context of all the Barbies with their Kens like towards the end when they're teaching the Kens that they are their own people that they are Kenough some of them were like you know I want to be this and I want to do whatever and then one Ken says he was like I really just like miss my Barbie. Like I just want to hang out with my Barbie
KAYLA: yeah just I miss my friend Barbie
SARAH: and like I think that was like an indication that like for some of them like that is truly what they want and like I read that as romantic but like you don't necessarily have to, and it's just kind of an indication that like there are a lot of different ways to do this and not there's not one that's wrong
KAYLA: Yeah
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SARAH: and just the whole movie was kind of exposing all of the stupid shit that is like predestined and that we're like locked into and you know I mean the movie is a whole disassemblage of patriarchy and shit not disassembling it actually but you it's it's a it is a reading it is a
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: it is a reading on patriarchy and you know all of the things that are that were expected to do and that are like like it's okay for men to do this but it's not okay for women to do this blah blah blah, and so like it kind of picks all that apart which is just like your aspec lenses
KAYLA: well I feel like it's what we talk about I know we talk about this like ad nauseam in the book but I think we talk about – our book by the way we have a book – but I think we talk about it in the podcast too is like you know if you want to follow that traditional route like that's fine as long as you're choosing it with like eyes wide open knowing that there's other options
SARAH: right
KAYLA: like if at the end of the day you're like no I like want to be with my Barbie or my Ken whatever that's fine as long as you know that that is not the only thing that it's possible to do.
SARAH: well and one thing that I just thought of just now is that at the very beginning of the movie there's this narration from the lovely narrator Helen Mirren where she's talking about how for the longest time all of the dolls that little girls had to play with were baby dolls so the only thing that little girls could do was play at being mother and play at like being a caretaker and then Barbie came around and she was like a career woman, she was an astronaut, she was a gymnast, she was a doctor, she was like there you know Barbie is everything like there is a version of Barbie for everything and, but what I just thought about just now is that all of those Barbies still had their Kens so like they were able to go beyond just being a mother but to a certain extent they weren't be able to, they weren't able to go beyond having that man on their arm and it was like it was empowering in the sense that like it was Barbie and Ken
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: which is also a thing when they're being like hey Kens you can be a person too
KAYLA: well because I think like the inception of Ken was that he was just another accessory for Barbie right? Like Barbie has her job, she has her purse, her dog and her Ken
SARAH: but that, but that he was a necessary accessory
KAYLA: right because yeah it is supposed to be yeah like a status thing like oh she has all these accessories including, oh she can get herself a Ken
SARAH: of course the perfect man
KAYLA: Right. Like she has this perfect life she has this career this all this dream house the dream car the whatever and of course then she has a dream boyfriend
SARAH: yeah
KAYLA: and yeah like that can be seen as a very empowering thing like oh she has it all yeah but it's also like she doesn't have to have a Ken
SARAH: and like the fact that he's chained to he's chained to her and she's not chained to him, but the fact that there's a chain at all is indicative of
KAYLA: right she doesn't have to have a Ken to have it all, yeah.
SARAH: yeah
KAYLA: you know what I thought was interesting? Was that when the point in the movie was she's like they're trying to fake out all the Kens to like steal the Barbies back and un-indoctrinate them
SARAH: TLDR stereotypical Ken accidentally on purpose brings patriarchy back to Barbie land and then they
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: they are trying to make it into Kendom?
KAYLA: Kendom yeah yeah, and so then they're the Barbies have like an inside job to like steal the Barbies back because they've all been
SARAH: They’ve all been brainwashed yeah
KAYLA: yeah yeah and so Barbie is basically like going to Ken to try to get him back and be like oh no like I definitely want to be with you to like whatever and Gloria is like making her up because she has to put on makeup now manually because she's not like perfect anymore whatever and Barbie's getting all nervous and she's like well what if he doesn't like me like what if he doesn't want me back, but she's never wanted Ken
SARAH: Right
KAYLA: like it just goes back to like the compulsory heterosexuality or just compulsory sexuality in general of like she doesn't even want Ken, and yet she's still worried about getting his approval and like him wanting her back and thinking she's beautiful and thinking she's all that and it's very funny
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: because then Gloria's character is like he stole your house and ruined Barbie land and is being insane like why he does
SARAH: he does that because he wants your attention like
KAYLA: because first of all because he wants your attention second of all like he's literally cuckoo bananas like
SARAH: yeah
KAYLA: what are you talking about
SARAH: yeah
KAYLA: but I just thought that was so such an interesting and like realistic look at just like the insecurity of being a woman and like no matter how…
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KAYLA: insane the guy is and like how much you don't want him that you still like need that validation
SARAH: right and it's like you could read that as like oh she just wants to make sure the plan is gonna work but like I it wasn't just that like she wanted that external validation because all her life she had always gotten that external validation. Ken had been obsessed with her forever and she was like well what happens if he's not obsessed with me anymore? Like who am I if this man is not obsessed with me? Which also brings me to the at the end when not spoiling what happens at the end again, but the Billie Eilish song comes on at the end and it's called what was I made for and it's very emo and there's like a whole montage
KAYLA: I sobbed, I sobbed
SARAH: but the because like the mantra the like the main thing and the song is what was I made for and like the implication being like as a woman but I think it also really works with the aro ace reading of Barbie because like once you realize you’re aro ace and you realize that maybe you don't want these things that you've been taught your whole life that you're supposed to want so then you're at this point where you don't know what your purpose is because if it's not to find a partner and have your happily ever after what is it? And so like it's I think that's just another way that that question like applies in an aro ace Barbie situation is like well what was I made for because like historically biologically genetically, yeah you are made to reproduce, but like we've evolved beyond that so you have to like. You have to well think about it be like okay well what okay then what am I here for? And then that that's also just an empowering thing because like you can decide yeah you're not you're not going to be a vessel to have a child
KAYLA: well and especially because it's like stereotypical Barbie having that question because part of her like issue at that point is she's like well I'm not author Barbie, I'm not president Barbie, like I'm just stereotypical Barbie like I'm not good enough like all these women are doing amazing things and I'm just like here
SARAH: and I'm just stereotypical Barbie
KAYLA: which I think, I think right because I think in a lot of ways stereotypical Barbie you think about her she's there to be pretty and like have great fashion and like have a Ken and have a dream house or whatever, so it is that very like stereotypical life and so that yeah you take away that Ken and stuff like that, and it's like okay yeah without that what is stereotypical Barbie which I think is even more poignant for that Barbie rather than like one of the career oriented right
SARAH: if it had been Issa Rae who's president Barbie
KAYLA: oh yeah she has a lot
SARAH: she’s got a lot to do
KAYLA: she's got Barbie land to run she doesn't need a Ken yeah
SARAH: yeah exactly yeah and I think that I think that that applies to all aro aces but I think it also especially applies to female aro aces or aro aces who were raised as female who because women are told that like your job is to be a mother and to reproduce and so like it's there's there's layers
KAYLA: yeah well even if even if you have like a more like woke family or whatever that wants you to like be very successful there is this pressure to like have it all, right? Like even if you are going to be a career oriented woman that you're still supposed to like, get married and have kids and have this full life. Like I think in society in general as far as we have come beyond women just being like homemakers there is still…
SARAH: well that's Gloria's whole thing with her whole rant is like we're expected to be all of these contradictory things and it it doesn't work it like it you can't put all of these things together and have it equal 100% like it just doesn't work
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: another thing that I was kind of thinking about right after I watched it and I sort of started writing an essay about and then stopped
KAYLA: I'm shocked
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KAYLA: who would have thought
SARAH: who would have thought? Was this idea that like me personally, I feel connected to womanhood but not femininity but Barbie is basically the opposite like I think there is a certain sense of like womanhood in Barbie land, but I feel like so much of like the sisterhood is based in like what women have had to face and like the patriarchy and misogyny and like that sort of thing, and like to me that's the part that I relate to more because I was raised as a woman, and so I have had the experiences that women have had but like because in Barbie land none of those things existed before Ken brought patriarchy to town
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SARAH: her – she was very connected to her femininity she had her pink her whatever all of her outfits whatever, but she wasn't necessarily connected to what we understand to be to be womanhood until she goes to the real world and like actually sees how much it kind of sucks, and so I just kind of found that interesting because like the idea of womanhood, as we know it, is unfortunately in a lot of ways just like about suffering. Like it's just like about what we have had to deal with and
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: like femininity is kind of like a reclamation of like no this is how I express my womanhood, but like I don't I don't what's the word not associate with that I don't… I don't not associate with femininity it's just like I'm not…
KAYLA: relate?
SARAH: I'm not drawn to it as much
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: and so like it's just it's kind of interesting to me how like Barbie kind of in some ways shows the opposite of that
KAYLA: because I think like in Barbie land they make it a point it's like kind of a joke that all of the Barbies think that because they exist like women don't face any hardships in the real world. SARAH: Right
KAYLA: They're like oh we fixed everything by showing women that they could like be everything
SARAH: yeah like they genuinely think they fixed the real world by existing
KAYLA: right so there isn't the same type of like sisterhood
SARAH: Right
KAYLA: like obviously they're still bonded together but it's just like you create I guess a different bond between a group of people when there is some sort of like hardship or like something to fight against
SARAH: right
KAYLA: not that like you have to be suffering to create like a strong group
SARAH: right yeah and like I just kind of had the thought that like womanhood is not inherently about motherhood in the same way that manhood is not inherently about fatherhood like to to say that manhood is inherently about fatherhood is an absurd claim, like it sounds funny
KAYLA: yeah it's nothing
SARAH: but like the fact that so often womanhood is inherently about motherhood like if you just put those two things next to each other you're like oh shit like there's
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: really quite a difference there but like you know womanhood is not about being I don't like this word but a womb
KAYLA: Ew
SARAH: I don't like the word womb. I don't like it at all
KAYLA: I don't like that either
SARAH: but like a human person like not just a reproductive organ and then things that the thing that brings womanhood and sisterhood together is that we have not been afforded that at least not broadly, and historically, and consistently whereas feminine feminine feminine not feminism femininity is like a concept and a construct, and it is very real in the way that we experience it and express it in our world but like I don't know. I think that this, the movie very much highlighted to me like like how I view the difference between womanhood and femininity
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: I think this is a good segue start talking about gender
KAYLA: let's
SARAH: I had gender thoughts actually I didn't personally have that many gender thoughts I had gender questions
KAYLA: you have thoughts you have thoughts about other people's gender thoughts
SARAH: I thought about other people's gender thoughts so the thing about this movie is that it's very binary which is I mean it makes sense because there are Barbies and there are Kens
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: and that's it and the movie doesn't really have the space to really go into anything beyond the binary because it's really about like Ken brings patriarchy to Barbie land and then they have to undo it
KAYLA: it's very it's very like surface level like I I saw a lot of people complaining that like the movie didn't do enough work to do like a nuanced reading of feminism which like I don't think it needed to be that
SARAH: No
KAYLA: or ever claimed to be that
SARAH: No
KAYLA: because it's a mass media production and people are coming in at all levels okay we didn't all take a feminism class in college
SARAH: Like Kayla did
KAYLA: you know we're not all in my level but no seriously like people there are a lot of people that don't have the access to like read deep things about you know first wave feminism or whatever you know like so yeah it was the movie had enough to bite off doing like a 101
SARAH: right
KAYLA: on feminism it couldn't then get into gender I think that would have just been like way too much to handle in one movie
SARAH: and for the Barbies and for the Kens and also Allan and midge and skipper
KAYLA: well Allan is non-binary well we can get into that later but those are my thoughts
SARAH: don't spoil it! We're getting there, but like all of the Barbies and Kens like their introduction to the real world and the patriarchy that was then brought back to Barbie land like that was their first introduction to it
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: and so like you can't go super deep
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SARAH: but like you do still have that reflection. It wasn't reflected as much in terms of gender but I think the daughter Sasha is a very good – like she's critiquing it from the outside where like it doesn't get deep on the critique, but if you if you know what she's talking about like you can see that that critique has been acknowledged like she calls Barbie a fascist
KAYLA: (laughing) yeah but she doesn't control the railways
SARAH: (laughing) but she doesn't control railways or commerce
KAYLA: but yeah Sasha is kind of that character
SARAH: she's that gen z
KAYLA: she is kind of like us, yeah
SARAH: also I heard apparently that Sasha and like the girls at her table
KAYLA: they're the bratz
SARAH: they're bratz that's why her name is Sasha
KAYLA: if you look at them next to the bratz they do like each pair off that's pretty funny
SARAH: but like there are definitely times where like even towards the end once Sasha is definitely more on board she refers to Barbie as “white savior Barbie”
KAYLA: (laughing) yeah
SARAH: like she's like yeah you go white savior Barbie
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: so like it's self-aware of the fact that it is not super deep
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: and so like I do appreciate that there is at least that like hey we acknowledge we acknowledge that like weren't and also like the fact that at the beginning they were like the Barbies think that they've solved feminism
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: that they've solved everything and then at the end the answer is no they fucking haven't
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: they need to do work
KAYLA: They’re just Barbies
SARAH: and also at the end when they're like we're gonna make Barbie land more equitable they were like well it's gonna take time like it doesn't immediately go to being 50 50
KAYLA: yeah my favorite and then they're like one day the Kens will have just as much freedom as women do in the real world I was like ha ha
SARAH: and one of the Kens was like can I be on this like can there be a Ken on the supreme court and president Barbie was like maybe we can start with like the lower circuit courts
KAYLA: yeah and there the Kens are like great as long as I have a robe I don't give a shit yeah
SARAH: yeah I I think it's it's self-aware that it's not it's not feminism…
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: 450, it's feminism101
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: and that also makes it accessible for people who are coming in who as you mentioned don't necessarily have that knowledge or I think it can also be really helpful for like men or just like women who are very entrenched in the patriarchy for them to become aware of
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: the world around them and they're rolling it
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: put those little glasses on, but all this is a roundabout way to say it's a very binary movie
KAYLA: yes
SARAH: and so my big question as I mentioned at the top was that I want to know what the non-binary reading on this is
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: because like for me I felt very connected to like the understanding of womanhood that Barbie acquires by being in the real world and like there's this montage at the end and there's this like the the line from Ruth who is a human well she's a ghost but
KAYLA: a human ghost
SARAH: where she's like you know like it's something to the effect of like our mothers stand still so that – we gotta get this line right hold on
KAYLA: oh they're also like yeah there's a very strong theme of like for all we're talking about like you don't need to be a mother, there is a very strong theme of like motherhood in the movie and like kind of what happens to women when they become mothers and oh it just makes you realize that your mom is just a girl, and it's just oh
SARAH: yeah no so the line is
KAYLA: It’s very painful
SARAH: the line is we mothers stand still so that our daughters can look back and see how far they've come
KAYLA: Stop it. I’ll cry!
SARAH: I saw a tweet that was I saw a tweet that was like I'm going be honest I'm going to be real with you I don't know what that means
KAYLA: I saw that
SARAH: and then there were a lot of people being like you're not alone and I was like I get it but yeah
KAYLA: I also get I get the confusion I also get I got it yeah
SARAH: I got it you know like at a certain point if you're a mother you have to stop pursuing your own career and your own hopes and dreams just to be a mother and
KAYLA: your life kind of like you don't really have a life anymore
SARAH: yeah
KAYLA: at a certain point
SARAH: you have to stop and so then you, but you do so so that your daughters can continue to go on in front of you so that when they get to a certain point they can turn around and see how far back you are and be like oh my god we've come so far
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: yeah anyway but wow I lost… where am I? Who am I? What is it?
KAYLA: you left the movie and you wanted to know what the non-binary reading was because you connected with the understanding of womanhood that Barbie got from the real world
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SARAH: that was a good summary but it didn't help me
KAYLA: well that's exactly what you said
SARAH: I know! Oh the montage I was just thinking about the montage
KAYLA: yes
SARAH: and how the montage made me very emo and it made a lot of women very emo, but because it was so binary I was like I really want to know what a non-binary binary reading of this is so one thing that I have seen quite a bit and heard from some people is that non-binary people felt very represented by Allan
KAYLA: yes
SARAH: so Allan is –
KAYLA: Ken's best friend all of his clothes fit him
SARAH: yeah Allan was a doll that they introduced many many moons ago that was just Ken's best friend
KAYLA: all his clothes
SARAH: but then they discontinued him because no one cared about Allan so in Barbie land there are a billion Barbies and a billion Kens, but there is only one Allan
KAYLA: just one Allan
SARAH: played by Michael Cera what a delight
KAYLA: Oh perfect
SARAH: and the the thing about Allan is that he is very kind of separate from the world he doesn't fit he doesn't fit in the world of Barbie land but also once Barbie land becomes Kendom and it becomes all patriarchal he doesn't fit in that world either
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: and when when Gloria and Sasha are gonna leave like he steals away to go with them to go
KAYLA: (laughing) he tries to escape
SARAH: Yeah he tries to escape because he doesn't want to live in that world and so he just like doesn't fit in either world and like they still like him and they respect him but he's just
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: he doesn't quite fit and he works with the Barbies to overthrow the patriarchy like he is on team Barbie he actively helps them to overthrow Kendom and like I felt very much like that was like him recognizing that like look Barbie land was not perfect but like
KAYLA: This is worse
SARAH: it is this is it is a step in the direction that will help him ultimately
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: even if it's not exactly what is best for him because like yes Barbie land he still didn't quite fit in there either but like
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: it was better than whatever this is
KAYLA: yeah yeah I did find it very interesting that like he was not indoctrinated or like allured by the patriarchy or like the Kendom like all like stereotypical Ken ryan goss like like brings the patriarchy to Barbie land and all of them are like instantly like oh my god I love it so much and Allan is just like not
SARAH: yeah like even even all the Barbies get like basically brainwashed and they're like oh my god I don't have to run the country anymore it's great
KAYLA: I don’t have to think it's like a spa day for my brain, yeah
SARAH: but Allan is like yeah like he hates it another thing I thought of though is Allan doesn't fit in either world but neither does weird Barbie and
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: you're just like you – I couldn't tell if you were frozen if you were just staring at me
KAYLA: no I was just thinking because I've seen like a lot of different readings on weird Barbie so I'm just interested what you're gonna say
SARAH: I weird Barbie also felt like a very much beyond the binary situation but not necessarily like because obviously it's not like there are three genders and that those genders are male female and non-binary like that it's it's much beyond that and so I felt like to me if we're looking at this like gendered reading of it like weird Barbie is another option for another gender that could be because weird Barbie is was a Barbie who got played with too hard and she got weird
KAYLA: Got fucked up
SARAH: she got stuck in the splits her hair is cut off it's singed she's played by kate mckinnon absolute delight, but she lives in like her weird Barbie house like on the outskirts of Barbie land with her weird Barbie brethren so like some of the other like sugar daddy Ken
KAYLA: Love
SARAH: and like
KAYLA: the Barbie with a tv
SARAH: yeah the Barbie with a tv in her and like just like the weird ones that got discontinued very quickly not Midge though Midge is in regular Barbie land which is interesting
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: the pregnant one
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: odd but well because well because mother she being a mother is a part of the expectation that is acceptable whereas all the weird Barbie
KAYLA: even if she's a little weird
SARAH: even if she's a little weird
KAYLA: people still don't like Midge
SARAH: yeah but like she lives in her own other world and at the end
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SARAH: they like apologize to weird Barbie for calling her weird Barbie behind her back but also to her face
KAYLA: (laughing) to her face, yeah
SARAH: yeah and so I think like weird Barbie is just another example of like living outside the binary and like she was forced out basically but like she also serves serves such an important purpose in the community
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: because when Barbies malfunction they go to weird Barbie and weird Barbie fixes them or tells them how to fix themselves and like it is weird Barbie that sends stereotypical Barbie on this journey and when stereotypical Barbie is like actually like she like gives her the option like either you know you fix this you go back to your old life and stereotypical Barbie's like old life, and weird Barbie's like actually no it wasn't an option
KAYLA: yeah, well and weird Barbie is the one that's kind of like leading the charge to overthrow the patriarchy and the Kendom too
SARAH: right
KAYLA: I saw a really interesting reading so like when the Kens take over and it becomes Kendom everyone kind of gets like a makeover like all the Barbies are in all these like skimpy little outfits and weird Barbie and her crew also looks different and they kind of look like very stereotypical like butch lesbians? Like
SARAH: Mm, I didn't notice that
KAYLA: Weird Barbie if you look at her hair it's kind of like a like it's not like all spiky anymore it's kind of like a slicked back like stereotypical like butch kind of roll thing
SARAH: Interesting
KAYLA: but it was interesting because I saw people talking about like oh well that's how like patriarchy Kens see like this outskirts weird Barbie is like well she much must be this like butch
SARAH: Butch, yeah
KAYLA: lesbian like riot girl whatever because she's like on the fringes so I thought that was like a very interesting reading right but I think it's also like a kind of an accurate reading on like what the queer community and like non-binary people and like people that were maybe raised women but now kind of outside that community that they are still playing this like very important part in the community kind of like as that outside perspective of like
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: but we still want to help you we still want to like get this shit together we're just like not SARAH: yeah
KAYLA: fully part and like experience
SARAH: Yeah and like they learn also to appreciate weird Barbie and like to better accept her into their community and that's not to say that she's not going to keep living in her weird Barbie house because I think she likes it there like yeah like but
KAYLA: she just wants to be the head of sanitation
SARAH: yeah she just yeah she really wanted a spot on the cabinet she really wanted to be head of sanitation and president Barbie was like yes
KAYLA: She really wants to do the trash
SARAH: but like you know she still plays an important role but she's like more respected which I think like so much of the end of the movie where they're like moving towards a more equitable future like it's it's aspirational in terms of like that's also what we're trying to do and so like I think it's it's just kind of showing like alright we're taking these steps in this direction but like we're not fucking there yet
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: because if the movie had ended with everything's equal and great it's just not realistic KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: and so I think that's you know notable that like she has kind of a little bit more respect in the world at the end and also at the line at at the end there's a line where somebody I think Barbie says something about how like in you know this new iteration of Barbie land there's going to be no Barbie or Ken in the shadows and then Allan pipes up and he goes or Allan.
KAYLA: oh Allan
SARAH:and then the next shot is of weird Barbie and so like it was very much like in my mind I was like acknowledging that like those people have to advocate for themselves and like put themselves into these places but they are gaining recognition and appreciation and the respect that they deserve and like yes they do have to speak up for themselves but like they're also valid… dolls? what what what is the race of Barbie creatures
KAYLA: I think they're dolls I think they're dolls
SARAH: whatever they are you know like you know they they they have that space and yeah that's kind of it I was one thing that I forgot to mention earlier about Ken specifically is that in the song I'm just Ken
KAYLA: Great song, banger
SARAH: has a line about like
SARAH AND KAYLA: (singing) is he I'm just Ken anywhere else I’d be a ten
SARAH: yeah so he says is it my destiny to live and die a life of Kayla
KAYLA: it's in my head but I don't know
SARAH: Kayla?
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: I may have had this lyric wrong the whole time
KAYLA: she's stupid
SARAH: okay interesting
KAYLA: uh oh
SARAH: I had been mishearing this lyric the whole time so the line is is it my destiny to live and die a life of blonde fragility
KAYLA: oh yeah
SARAH: I – I heard virginity
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KAYLA: oh no
SARAH: and so like
KAYLA: you can’t say that
SARAH: yeah I know whereas I thought that was a little weird the whole time but I was like but like that for me was also just like another example of like Ken like wanting the
KAYLA: this makes more sense because in your notes you said something about virginity and I was like where is she getting this?
SARAH: Where is she getting this? it's because I misheard that lyric every time every time
KAYLA: Good, good, good
SARAH: I misheard the lyric
KAYLA: well I mean it is like a friendzone song though yeah
SARAH: that song is sad about – it's just about being a friendzoned and the Kens are fighting amongst each other but then they are united by the fact that they're all being friendzoned because that's what the Barbies did to regain they turn them against each other
KAYLA: that's so great that's good stuff
SARAH: anyway wow okay so like never mind on that
KAYLA: for the best
SARAH: okay
KAYLA: it would have been weird if they just like thrown virginity in there when they like
SARAH: yeah
KAYLA: only reference sex through like any windows yeah before that
SARAH: yeah I think that's that's mostly it I also wrote here in the end well here's here's the thing here's the thing I got more things sorry I know it's late ultimately what we kind of get when we have like our montage at the end that's all just like email about women and whatever is that being a woman is just like about wanting to be seen as human like a complex and a contradictory human and like a doll can't represent that necessarily and when they do their brains explode and they get cellulite but I think that also has like… I was gonna say something and I was like actually do I feel like there's a connection there to like gender detachment but I – this thought isn't formed fully
KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: so never mind
KAYLA: okay
SARAH: she just wants to be seen as a complex person and in the end the biggest difference between me and Barbie is that she is excited to go to the gynecologist and I would rather swim in hot sauce
KAYLA: yeah that was so funny though it was very fun
SARAH: it was very good
KAYLA: it got me real good
SARAH: that's it, anything else you want to say?
KAYLA: it's a great movie sorry this pod was all over the place but like welcome back yeah
SARAH: what did you fucking expect
KAYLA: yeah no excellent movie like I said it's not like the deepest movie or whatever but like for a huge blockbuster movie that was backed by like a giant toy company yeah incredibly honestly they got away with a lot of roasting of Mattel too given
SARAH: like I saw some reviews from like Oppenheimer film bros who were like it's just an ad for Mattel and it's like did you watch the movie
KAYLA: truly not did you watch the movie Will Ferrell's character is like I know is Jewish
person they like have him make they make the ceo of Mattel character be like I love women I have a woman friend and a jewish friend and like and a black friend
SARAH: it's a bit that everyone in positions of power at Mattel is a man and then when Barbie's like I'd like to talk to the woman in charge he's like we had a woman ceo once in the 90s and then he goes on this whole tangent and is like my best friends are I love uplifting women it's just so funny yeah I could not believe they got away I mean the only the only two women at Mattel are Gloria who is the assistant yeah and ruth who was a ghost yeah true and in a jail essentially KAYLA: yeah I don't know
SARAH: so it's a great, it's a great movie I think everyone should see it and especially if you are non-binary gender non-conforming trans too because like I know there was like a trans actor who played a Barbie but like the the transness of that actor wasn't addressed
KAYLA: they didn't like
SARAH: acknowledge
KAYLA: talk about it yeah
SARAH: so I'm definitely curious to hear about people's takes on the movie from a non-cisgender perspective but it's a good movie and Greta Gerwig always gets me
KAYLA: does it again
SARAH: it's very funny it's such a good time that's all they're not this isn't an ad they're not paying us I would love it
KAYLA: I fucking wish, but then if we were doing an ad for a movie right now would it not be crossing a picket line?
SARAH: actually
KAYLA: Or it doesn’t matter for us?
SARAH: Actually. it matters for me yeah you probably could
KAYLA: I probably could
SARAH: You probably could but for me it would be a bad idea well
KAYLA: you shouldn't do that
SARAH: it's not something I'm involved with we actually had a conversation about this at work about like whether something we want to do is allowed within the the bounds of the WGA strike and our conclusion was more research required
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KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: anyway this is not a paid ad
KAYLA: this is not a paid ad sarah is a strong future union member
SARAH: hashtag pre wga yeah okay well what's your beef and your juice this week?
KAYLA: well first my poll is that what did you think of the Barbie movie? Second my beef is that my body is getting old and it just can't do it anymore my knees have recently started cracking
SARAH: Your knees just started cracking?
KAYLA: I know
SARAH: oh my god I'm fucked my knees have been cracking for 10 years
KAYLA: I know they have but after the music festival that was the first time like my knees are now cracking like that's what did it
SARAH: well I'm gonna need my knees replaced when I'm 50 and you won’t
KAYLA: well we'll see
SARAH: knock on wood, knock on wood
KAYLA: so that's my beef, I guess my juice is I've been watching the nanny
SARAH: the nanny
KAYLA: excellent television program
SARAH: also Fran Drescher fucking like president or something of sag, great I'm obsessed with her outfits incredible I want to be fran for halloween because I feel like I could really do it
SARAH: you want to be fran or you want to be like the nanny
KAYLA: like a nanny okay I'm not just gonna be fran that's just a woman that's just a woman SARAH: for one dollar name a woman
KAYLA: name a woman but I'd seen episodes here and there as a kid but then it started coming up on tiktok and I was like well I guess I have to watch all of the nanny
SARAH: does it hold up?
KAYLA: yeah it's great I mean it you know it's a sitcom from the 80s so there's some jokes in there that are you know distasteful upsetting, but yeah you know yeah but yeah fucking hilarious. Also renee raps new album chef's kiss
SARAH: I haven’t heard it
KAYLA: you must you simply must. There's a song called I hate boston it's funny because I live here she has a billboard up downtown
SARAH: I love that
KAYLA: I hate boston and she did a interview with like a local morning show or something and they were like so do you really hate boston she was like I've come prepared with a speech and she –
SARAH: where's she from?
KAYLA: I don't know where she's from originally but she lived in New York because she did broadway right after high school and then she lived in and now she's in LA
SARAH: she is…
KAYLA: I don't think she's from Boston
SARAH: she's from North Carolina
KAYLA: okay yeah because remember she did the jimmy awards and she like won or whatever and got a contract right after and then here we are. She's only 23 it's very upsetting
SARAH: yeah it is. I recently learned that north carolina has a lot more people in it than I realized like I feel like I hear about South Carolina more but the population of North Carolina is way bigger well anyway
KAYLA: I would not have thought this
SARAH: yeah it's like by like millions bigger North Carolina population 10.5 million that's more than Michigan
KAYLA: Who would have thought?
SARAH: yeah South Carolina population five million it's like half as many people yeah
KAYLA: I would not have thought that
SARAH: yeah anyway do you have a beef?
KAYLA: I already did my beef
SARAH: I already forgot
KAYLA: my knees
SARAH: oh right
KAYLA: my beef is that you don't remember anything I say to you
SARAH: so true bestie my juice is Feta the dog. Golden Ratio folks accidentally acquired a puppy she's amazing she reminds me of Rosie when Rosie was a puppy. She's the best she's the best little girl she's so cute and chaotic and delightful. My beef is I think this happened during our break they're taking away my Yoongi
KAYLA: I think I saw this
SARAH: yeah, he hasn't shaved his head yet as I am aware he has not shared
KAYLA: he hasn't told you about it yet
SARAH: he hasn't told me about it yeah but he's leaving which we knew was gonna happen but
KAYLA: yeah but that's still very sad
SARAH: I'll miss him that's my little guy but
KAYLA: I know
SARAH: so I'm gonna have to experience what all the people experienced who were Jin and Hobi biases when they're when they're little guys but
KAYLA: at least you weren't first I feel like now you know
SARAH: yeah and Namjin biases got like preparation in advance because he shaved his head but just because he wanted to
KAYLA: oh
SARAH: like it was hot and
KAYLA: sure
SARAH: so he decided to shave his head and then he was and then he was like guys I need you to know this is not because of the military it was just hot
KAYLA: It was just hot
SARAH: so at least
KAYLA: good
SARAH: people were prepared for that
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SARAH: my little guy! His mom likes his long hair and you're gonna tell him that you have to cut it? You can tell us about your beef, your juice, your bts bias, your thoughts on the Barbie movie, your thoughts on Allan on our social media at sounds fake pod we also have a patreon patreon.com/soundsfakepod if you want to support us there for some reason. We for some reason also acquired new patrons over the break guys we're on break what are you doing
KAYLA: Y’all are silly
SARAH: we have a new two dollar patron it is Lauren Denslow thank you Lauren
KAYLA: hello Lauren
SARAH: our five dollar patrons who we are promoting this week are well we have a new one and it's Riven Lihos also I think I said them last time but I'm not 100% positive so I'm going to repeat them which is Morgan Impink and Rebekah Monnin
KAYLA: Welcome to everyone!
SARAH: who I believe I said in our last episode but it was a month ago, so I'm not positive but
KAYLA: Who knows
SARAH: thank all of you you're delightful our other five dollar patrons who are promoting this week are Elizabeth Wheeler, Emily Jean, ffinasfs, and Galvin Gord. Our ten dollar patrons are Boston Smith youtube and tiktok @yerbuddyboston does Renee also hate Boston Smith?
KAYLA: I hope not
SARAH: hope not
KAYLA: unless Boston Smith is the guy she dated that made her hate Boston but
SARAH: Antonio Cipriano?
KAYLA: what
SARAH: Antonio
KAYLA: are you saying who is that what are you saying to me right now?
SARAH: her ex!
KAYLA: how do you know who her ex is?
SARAH: at least I think they're exes
KAYLA: I feel like she's probably had more than one ex
SARAH: yeah they split in December 2021
KAYLA: well is he from boston?
SARAH: he's from Grosse Pointe
KAYLA: I lost from the days of Michigan
KAYLA: well it's not about him then
SARAH: oh my god
KAYLA: wait I wonder if my cousin
SARAH: he went he went to university liggett
KAYLA: what's that
SARAH: it's like a private school in Grosse Pointe which are already very fancy Grosse Pointe is for the rich people
KAYLA: I wonder if my cousins know him
SARAH: Grosse Pointe woods oh it is michigan's michigan's oldest independent co-educational day school university like you know
KAYLA: not the day school
SARAH: I know
KAYLA: please I feel poor just listening to this
SARAH: anyway no they dated well because he was he was a broadway boy too so it was like everyone I knew
KAYLA: I see well
SARAH: he was in Jagged Little Pill
KAYLA: from what I understand this man from Boston is from Boston so
SARAH: of course Antonio Cipriano of course he's from he's he's one of those Michigan italians those east side italians anyway
KAYLA: ba da ba boop I can say I'm italian
SARAH: I'm also italian
KAYLA: technically though I'm Sicilian which I've been told is not actually Italian so
SARAH: I've got that listen listen as a white person I am five percent
KAYLA: yeah as a white
SARAH: so I think the other day about how instead of doing gender reveal parties we should do we should take 23andme tests and find out who one of our friends groups has colonized the other
KAYLA: I've seen this
SARAH: find out about very old yeah because I sent it to you but find out about just very old ancient beeves between your people
KAYLA: I saw a girl that did 23 and me and found out mark cuban was like her third cousin and he messaged her on 23 me and was like what up why cousins
SARAH: okay well anyway 10 dollar patrons Boston Smith, David Harris who would like to promote the Cradle book series by Will Wight, Derick and Carissa who would like to promote supporting each other through the transitions we face, Elle Bitter who would like to promote normalizing the use of tone indicators, and my Aunt Jeannie who would like to promote christopher's Haven. Our 15 dollar patrons are Andrew Hillum the Invisible Spectrum podcast, click4caroline Ace of Hearts, Dia Chappell twitch.tv/melodydia, Hector Murillo friends that are supportive, constructive, and help you grow as a better person, Maff catching up on the podcast after two years and one month of break, and Nathaniel White nathanieljwhitedesigns.com, Kayla's Aunt Nina katemaggartart.com. Our 20 dollar patrons –
KAYLA: Kate Maggart just got engaged so congratulations
SARAH: oh my god congrats Kate Maggart! and also congrats Nina Maggart for your daughter I hope you like I hope you like them
KAYLA: I think she does
SARAH: that's good
KAYLA: I think we're I think we're in the clear
SARAH: alright cool
KAYLA: I think we're good
SARAH: our 20 dollar patrons dragonfly who would like to promote ending this podcast thanks, not like permanently. This one
KAYLA: this the last one we come back from break hit you with the Barbie movie and we're fucking out. That news we talked about sharing in the beginning you'll never
SARAH: You’ll never know
KAYLA: fucking know
SARAH: Jungkook was on Saechwita which is my guy Yoongi's little youtube show and at the end he was like
KAYLA: You’re just saying words at this point
SARAH: at the end he was like it's so great to be here this is gonna be the last episode and Yoongi was like what? No it's not!
KAYLA: Good. I'm going to start doing that. Next time we go on someone else's podcast
SARAH: Jungkook just announced that did 30 minutes of karaoke after Yoongi already left
KAYLA: great
SARAH: Yoongi literally he left and was like yeah whatever he yeah whatever. He changed clothes comes back and is like you're still doing karaoke? Incredible stuff
KAYLA: You froze
SARAH: thanks for listening, tune in next sunday for more rest in your ears. We're finally ending this thing
KAYLA: right now I got time for the pause to happen, I really wanted to do that
SARAH: I thought she was staring at me but she's frozen
KAYLA: what are we going to do about this?
SARAH: Oh no. Take care of your cows. Kayla's never to be heard from or seen again
KAYLA: now the zoom is gone
SARAH: goodbye
KAYLA: and until then take good care of your cows. What are we going to do? You know? Who's to say?
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