Ep 260: Microlabels Pt. 2
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SARAH: Hey, what's up? Hello. Welcome to Sounds Fake But Okay, a podcast where an aroace girl, I'm Sarah, that's me.
KAYLA: And a bi-demisexual girl, that's me, Kayla.
SARAH: Talk about all things to do with love, relationships, sexuality, and pretty much anything else we just don't understand.
KAYLA: On today's episode, Microlabels Part 2.
SARAH AND KAYLA: Sounds Fake But Okay.
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SARAH: Welcome back to the pod. Sorry, we were gone.
KAYLA: He he he. Sometimes you have to take a little break.
SARAH: Uh huh. Kayla was born, I was reborn thrice.
KAYLA: Yeah, Sarah was busy getting burnt at an indoor concert.
SARAH: (laughing) Guys, I got a really, really bad
KAYLA: Really bad
SARAH: sunburn at a concert that was indoors.
KAYLA: Inside.
SARAH: It's peeling now, except I peeled it way too much and now it hurts because I peeled it too much.
KAYLA: My favorite is I went to the beach last weekend. You went to an indoor concert. And you were the one that got burnt.
SARAH: Yeah, it was pretty bad.
KAYLA: It's good stuff. It's good.
SARAH: (laughing) I'm sorry to my skin. I can't wait to get skin cancer.
KAYLA: Don't joke. You probably will.
SARAH: Genetically, the odds of me getting skin cancer are quite good.
KAYLA: I'll hit you up when I have breast cancer
SARAH: Cool
KAYLA: and we'll just slay together.
SARAH: I'll also hit you up when I need my knees replaced.
KAYLA: My thyroid will also die, so we can…
SARAH: My mom has a thyroid problem. Maybe all of the thyroid problems.
KAYLA: Every woman in my family has a thyroid problem, so I'm just waiting.
SARAH: My family has every autoimmune disease under the sun.
KAYLA: I love that
SARAH: Whenever they're like, what's your family history? I'm like, every autoimmune disease. And they're like, can you be more specific? And I'm like, no.
KAYLA: Don't have to be. Don't actually have to be more specific. Thank you.
SARAH: Anyway, hi.
KAYLA: Hi.
SARAH: We're back. We have housekeeping.
KAYLA: It's time to keep this house. This is a very exciting housekeep.
SARAH: Time to pay the mortgage.
KAYLA: No thanks. We are doing our hometown event, finally.
SARAH: Hashtag hometown.
KAYLA: Hashtag hometown. We're going to be doing a little book event at Literati in Ann Arbor, which is like our college bookstore.
SARAH: The world's greatest bookstore.
KAYLA: Best bookstore. I cannot believe that we're doing something there. So it's going to be June 30th at 630 p.m. And there's like no tickets, no RSVPs or anything. Just show up.
SARAH: (singing) Okay, I'll pull up. Hop out at the Literati.
KAYLA: Yeah. It's like I think a 50 or 60 person limit. I don't expect us to have an issue there. But if you come.
SARAH: But I mean my fucking whole family probably.
KAYLA: I know my whole family. I think maybe we might meet capacities.
SARAH: Between our two families, we might meet capacities.
KAYLA: So you actually maybe show up early and make sure our family doesn't get in. I don't know.
SARAH: Block our family.
KAYLA: So yeah, if you're a Michigander, a midwesterner, pull through Friday, June 30th.
SARAH: Just support Literati. It's a great fucking bookstore.
KAYLA: It's the perfect bookstore.
SARAH: There's a typewriter in the basement and you can just type shit on it.
KAYLA: And then they published a book of like little notes people left.
SARAH: Yeah, and in their newsletter, I get their newsletter and every week there's a note from the typewriter.
KAYLA: I didn't know that. That's fun.
SARAH: Or every month or however often the newsletter is.
KAYLA: So yeah, come hang. Third event. Meet and greet.
SARAH: Third time’s the charm, as they say.
KAYLA: And we're both going to be there this time.
SARAH: We specifically scheduled it so that it would be around the time that I was intending to be home anyway.
KAYLA: Sarah was already going to be home anyway. Yeah.
SARAH: Can't get a dentist appointment, but we're doing our best.
KAYLA: God damn it.
SARAH: I know. Anyway, Kayla, what are we talking about this week?
KAYLA: This week we are continuing on our journey of Microlabels with Microlabels Part 2. It was probably a couple of months ago now, I think, when we did Part 1 of aspec Microlabels. SARAH: Microlabels
KAYLA: And there's just so many that we only got through the Cs. Didn't even finish the Cs. Only started on the Cs. To be fair, there's a lot of As, as you would imagine.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: So yeah, I don't know that we'll finish the list I have today. Again, I got all the ones that I could find that were most common on the internet. If there's things I'm missing, please let us know and we'll cover it. But these were what I could find.
SARAH: I did nothing. So if we're missing something, it's Kayla's fault.
KAYLA: Yeah. So we're just going to read them and learn about them and talk about if we relate to them.
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KAYLA: And live, laugh, love.
SARAH: Go off, bestie.
KAYLA: Live, laugh, lesbian.
SARAH: Live, laugh, lesbian.
KAYLA: As Target said. I wish someone else had made that so I could buy it.
SARAH: Why does it? Why?
KAYLA: I just would rather support a queer artist. You know what I mean?
SARAH: I see. I mean… Who designed it?
KAYLA: I'm not against buying it. I don't know. I think a queer people did design it.
SARAH: Oh yeah queer people designed it
KAYLA: I'm not against it. I would just rather, you know what I mean?
SARAH: I know a lot of people were like, oh my god, that's so cringy.
KAYLA: And it's like, yeah, it's perfect.
SARAH: You know how many queer people are buying it for the bit? That's probably what they intended.
KAYLA: It's very funny.
SARAH: Anyway, for those of you who don't know, Target, large store in the United States. It's everywhere. The best store. Great store.
KAYLA: Best store. Best store.
SARAH: It's like Walmart but classier
KAYLA: Yes.
SARAH: And with slightly fewer groceries. And they have a Pride collection every year. And this year they have a shirt that says live, laugh, lesbian.
KAYLA: That's very good. It's very good to me.
SARAH: Alright. Anyway, let's go. Let's do a little shindiggery.
KAYLA: Let's do it. So as you might remember, last time we left off on caedsexual. So now we are moving on.
SARAH: I like how you think I remember anything.
KAYLA: I barely remember. I was looking at my list and I was like, oh, did we? Interesting. News to me. So now we're moving on to cupiosexual/romantic. Previously, I guess it was known as kallosexual with a K.
SARAH: Kallo
KAYLA: I'm not sure about that origin. Well, right patch.
SARAH: In this light, you can really see the basically a scab because I can't, I always pick up.
KAYLA: In this light, you can't really see it, but there was like, I don't even think it was a zit. It was just a bump that I like drunkenly really squished. And so then it got very large and then it was a zit and then it. Oh whole thing.
SARAH: I've had this forever. It won't go away because every like scabs and then I pick it. I bought though, I bought those like pimple patches that are like
KAYLA: very good
SARAH: like clear skin color.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And I don't even necessarily because I've used them before and I don't often have the kind of zits that are actually helped by pimple patches.
KAYLA: Yeah because they’re too innies
SARAH: But yeah, but I want to just like use them to cover it. So I stopped.
KAYLA: That's what I did with this one. I put it, so I stopped picking at it. I've heard and it's worked for me. If you put toothpaste on like an ingrown pimple, that won't like come out of the skin yet. And if you put it on there for a little bit, it'll help it like come out onto the skin. Then you could put a pimple patch on it. Don't leave it on for too long because then it swells up. That happened to me.
SARAH: My toothpaste is for sensitive teeth and gums and it's for plaque restoration. Will that be helpful?
KAYLA: Who's to say?
SARAH: I'm sorry. This – we've talked about this for too long for me to not like leave it in. But KAYLA: yeah
SARAH: it started out
KAYLA: by me looking at my face in the computer.
SARAH: Yeah, by us looking at our faces. And this is an audio medium.
KAYLA: I started feeling my face and it felt dry. I'll put aquaphor on.
SARAH: We were gone for a week and the quality has not improved.
KAYLA: Bad news. My aquaphor, I think because it's hot in my house, is like really runny now.
SARAH: Oh it’s runny
KAYLA: And it's kind of gross. I'm thinking I might just need to toss it. Anyway, Aveeno for your… What does Jennifer Aniston say? I don't remember. I feel like she does Aveeno ads. Anyway
SARAH: that made me think of the AMC movie ad. Yeah, but that's a different lady. Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, oi, oi, oi, speaking of Nicole Kidman.
KAYLA: Exactly, exactly.
SARAH: Continue.
KAYLA: Okay, cupiosexual/romantic. This is someone who does not experience sexual and/or romantic attraction for the sexual. I'm just saying them both. You know what I mean?
SARAH: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
KAYLA: You know?
SARAH: Respectively
KAYLA: Because still desires slash like sexual and or romantic relationships. So this would be like… So someone that's not repulsed by it, like doesn't experience the attraction. Yeah, doesn't experience the attraction, but would still like to be in the relationship or the situation. So like an allo person who dates or an ace person who does a sex.
SARAH: Yeah. But you're not.
KAYLA: But you're not attracted. That’s all. So I don't know that I have much to say on that. I feel like this is probably one that's like very confusing to non-community people.
SARAH: I was just thinking that like to people outside the community, it's probably very confusing. But to me, since I've been so embedded in it for so long, I'm like, yeah, of course.
KAYLA: And like it was confusing to us.
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KAYLA: Like if you listen to early episodes
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: you can like hear us like grappling with like why would someone be ace and do sex and do sex.
SARAH: Be ace, do sex.
KAYLA: Be ace. I can't wait for Weasel to make that one. But yeah, the more you're in the community, I think the more sense that makes of like you don't need to feel the attraction to do it and have it feel good, you know?
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Okay, the next one is demisexual slash romantic. I think we all know what this one is.
SARAH: I've actually never heard of that.
KAYLA: So it's someone who can only feel sexual or romantic attraction once they've established a close emotional connection
SARAH: Hm, okay
KAYLA: I did also find like subtypes of demisexual, though, that I had never heard of. Demisexual, I'm obviously very familiar with
SARAH: Why?
KAYLA: and I think it's like – because I am.
SARAH: Oh. Wow.
KAYLA: And I think it's also like an identity that's getting a lot of press lately. Like, I feel like especially last year, I was asked to do like a couple interviews for articles and like I saw stuff floating around. I don't know. I feel like it just like came up. So like became more recognizable.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: But some of the sub like subtypes I didn't know about. Demisexual jump, which is a person
SARAH: Is that someone who does like jumps between buildings, like building rooftop jumping?
KAYLA: Yes. But it's also someone who is demisexual and a romantic. But they experience short, sudden bursts of just being ace or aro. And then they go like back to being Demi. So if you remember last time we talked about like ace or aro spike
SARAH: Mhm
KAYLA: where you're like asexual and then you'll have like a random like sudden spike of sexual attraction for a short time and go back.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: It kind of feels like that, but like the
SARAH: Opposite?
KAYLA: opposite, I guess. Yeah, we were like usually resting at demisexual and then sometimes you're like there's nothing and then you go back.
SARAH: I have a question for you as a demisexual person.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Who is not demisexual jump. So maybe you're not the best person to ask this to.
KAYLA: Yes.
SARAH: If you're Demi to begin with, how do you know if it has gone away? Is this in the context of like someone you have already gotten that attraction to and it goes away and it comes back?
KAYLA: To me, I think it would have to be or else how would you know?
SARAH: Otherwise I think you wouldn't notice.
KAYLA: That's what I'm thinking because if I'm thinking about like myself not dating anyone being demisexual
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: like I'm not currently attracted to anyone. I don't know how I would realize it was gone.
SARAH: Right.
KAYLA: To me, I feel like it would necessitate
SARAH: Already have it
KAYLA: that there was some sort of sexual or romantic attraction there that then went away for a short time and then came back.
SARAH: Yeah. Alright.
KAYLA: I assume.
SARAH: I dig it.
KAYLA: For me, it's also hard though because like obviously sexual attraction and libido are separate things, but are also intertwined.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: So like that's always a hard thing for me to understand of like is my libido very low right now or am I like is it the sexual trait? You know what I mean?
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: Like it's a very hard thing to parse out. So like I don't… props to people who could figure that out. I don't fucking know.
SARAH: Good on you, mate.
KAYLA: Yeah. Another subtype of Demi is dellosexual or romantic. This is someone who experiences attraction to multiple genders and experiences allo style of attraction to some genders, but is Demi towards other genders.
SARAH: That is fascinating.
KAYLA: Which I really enjoyed this because I think it's so true that like especially if you're somewhat attracted to multiple genders that that attraction can be different depending on the gender.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: And I feel like I've not like I've seen like queer women talk about that about like bi women especially about like how their attraction and like relationships manifest differently with men versus women.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: But I had never thought about it as almost like a completely different sexuality depending on the gender.
SARAH: Right
KAYLA: But it makes a lot of sense.
SARAH: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I had never heard of it conceptualized that way, but that makes a ton of sense, especially because like I remember when you were like hee hee actually I'm bi. And like one of my questions for you is like how do you know that you're bi and not pan?
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And like your answer was like gender does matter.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: It's just that I am attracted to multiple. And I think that that applies to this same situation where it's like obviously you could still be bi or pan or whatever and be this but like the gender of the person you are attracted to does
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SARAH: or the gender presentation or whatever impacts the way you are attracted to them.
KAYLA: Yeah. And also just like, I don't know. It just makes a lot of sense to me, especially if like you're socialized one way and then you're attracted to a gender
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: that's like socialized a different way like.
SARAH: Right. Oh, sorry, Bogie muted you. Did you have a cat problem at the same time?
KAYLA: Yes, she's digging at the rug.
SARAH: Yeah, sorry, Bogie. Bogie did you a little mute.
KAYLA: Bitch, what the fuck? Like that just is going to change like how your attraction manifests and like how what your what your relationships look like. I'm about to kick you out. Oh, you're out. I can't wait for her to start screaming. The next demi subtype is quartsexual, which is very funny to me. It's like demi in the court. So it's someone who only feels attraction after forming a small emotional bond with someone. So it doesn't have to be like a full big one. It can just be like a small one.
SARAH: You know, I understand now that court means like courting someone.
KAYLA: Oh, it's not spelled like that. It's spelled like measuring.
SARAH: Quart, quart.
KAYLA: Quart, quart with a Q.
SARAH: Oh, so it's just a quart.
KAYLA: You just need a quart. Just a little bit. It's like demi is like half the container and quart is like just a fourth actually. It's funny.
SARAH: But at first, when you said that, I was like basketball court.
KAYLA: No, quart with a C would also make sense.
SARAH: It would also work. I have to court you.
KAYLA: But no, it's quart like the measurement, which I find very charming.
SARAH: They both make sense. I think that's very good.
KAYLA: Quart. This one, I feel like I feel that because I think at some points where I felt like the
amount of emotional bond I needed seemed to be less than other demi people I had seen. Some demi people would be like, it would take me years.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: And I would be like, I feel like I don't need that much. I feel like if there's a between quart and semi. Quart and demi.
SARAH: (laughing) Semi. Semi. Semi-sexual.
KAYLA: That has to be a real thing, right? Semisexual. Semi-sexual. Demi-sexual just came up. I want –
SARAH: Justice for semi-sexuals.
KAYLA: Oh, okay. According to the asexual fandom, semi-sexual describes someone who may be allosexual by definition, but who finds aceness and or grayness a useful relevant concept to describe their sexuality, or a concept that still helps them communicate their feelings in some way.
SARAH: Hm. Interesting.
KAYLA: It's to be the middle of sexuality spectrum, having partially attraction or duration of the fuller intensity. Interesting. Anyway.
SARAH: Anyway, back to our list.
KAYLA: Back to our list. Okay, the last demisexual subtype I found was amicus-sexual or amicus-romantic.
SARAH: It's when you're really amicable as a person.
KAYLA: Kind of. It's when you only develop attraction with someone who you're friends with first that you're amicable with.
SARAH: I sort of see how that's different from demisexuality, but please elaborate.
KAYLA: I think
SARAH: because demisexuality requires a bond, but it doesn't necessarily require a friendship bond.
KAYLA: Yes. I would say...
SARAH: It can be a bond of any sort or, depending on the person, a specific sort, but doesn't necessarily have to be a platonic sort.
KAYLA: Yeah. I think it is often friendship, and I feel like I've heard a lot of demi-people be like, oh, the only people I've ever been attracted to are people I've known for a very long time who I'm friends with. Speaking from my own experience, I've dated people that I met off dating apps who I would say I was not friends with first.
SARAH: Right
KAYLA: Obviously, we became friends as we were dating, but I became friends with them at the same time as I was becoming attracted to them.
SARAH: Right.
KAYLA: You know what I mean?
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: But this one is you have to be friends. That platonic attraction or platonic bond has to come first, which I think is why it's a subtype of demisexuality
SARAH: Right
KAYLA: because it's just a very specific experience of deminess.
SARAH: To me, I feel like the friendship thing, my brain is like, oh yeah, that makes perfect sense with demiromantic, but then demisexual, I had to be like, oh, you could be romantically into someone without sexually being into someone, and so then you would need to be friendshipped first.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And that's what that means. Again, I think this is just another prime, prime example of my silly, funky little brain
KAYLA: Hee hee hee
SARAH: conflating romantic and sexual identities just like the rest of the fucking world.
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KAYLA: Hee hee.
SARAH: Hee hee.
KAYLA: So silly.
KAYLA: (in a British accent) Would you like the next one?
SARAH: Yup.
KAYLA: The next one is fictosexual or fictoromantic.
SARAH: Fiction, something to do with fiction.
KAYLA: Yes, very good. This is someone who experiences exclusive sexual or romantic attraction towards fictional characters, a general type of fictional character, or whose sexuality or romantic orientation is influenced by fictional characters. So it's someone who is not attracted to real people
SARAH: Yep
KAYLA: only attracted to fictional people.
SARAH: Sorry, I just watched one of bogey's loose hairs just floating through the sky fall directly into my beverage.
KAYLA: Protein. DNA.
SARAH: And it's a can, so I can't really get it out.
KAYLA: Yeah. That's for you now. That's for drinking now.
SARAH: I think the ficto prefix is something that to an outsider at first probably seems very
weird.
KAYLA: Mhm
SARAH: But the more you dig into it, maybe also this is just because I'm aspec and I understand this aspect of it better than an alomite, but having the theoretical, it is still real attraction but it's attraction to a theoretical
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: being and that is safer. That is safer than being attracted to a human person.
KAYLA: There's not really a way that you can get hurt in that situation. There are no expectations. You don't even necessarily have to act on anything, which there's some other micro labels that kind of get into that too, but with real people that are later on the list. But yeah, I do think it's a lot safer. I think where this gets dicey and wherever I found, I think I was reading on, where I found the definition. There's a long list of micro labels under this cartosexual,
SARAH: cartoons
KAYLA: or comic characters, book-lo-sexuals
SARAH: novels
KAYLA: gamosexuals
SARAH: games and stuff. My brain, wow, I'm connecting all the dots of a genius.
KAYLA: She's so smart. I think where this can get dicey is part of this was saying attracted to a general type of fictional character
SARAH: Yeah it gets into fetishization
KAYLA: where this gets dicey and where I think a lot of stereotypes come in is people, especially with anime where you have people with like.
SARAH: Fetishization. Yeah.
KAYLA: And where also there's a lot of stereotypes and a lot of making fun of people for that, but it also can be very harmful to actual Asian people
SARAH: Right
KAYLA: who are not fictional characters.
SARAH: (laughing) Actual real Asian human beings. There are billions of them.
KAYLA: This one I think, like you're saying, I completely understand it because it is a safe way to kind of express your attraction
SARAH: Mhm
KAYLA: but I also think when you get into being attracted to a general type of fictional character, that's when it can get a little like
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: be careful.
SARAH: I think that same sort of thing happens in fandom of real people when you know they're unattainable.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: It's like, you know that nothing is ever going to happen and so it's safe to be like, let's get married.
KAYLA: I'm in love with you.
SARAH: Yeah. I'm love-he.
KAYLA: Love-he.
SARAH: I'm love-he, although I'm love-he does not have to mean romantic or sexual.
KAYLA: I’m just love-he.
SARAH: I'm love-he, but I say that all the time.
KAYLA: Good.
SARAH: I also, I believe to just today I tweeted, I'm hate-he, I believe is what I said.
KAYLA: Good. The dichotomy.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: The next one is frayromantic or fraysexual. Would you like to guess on this?
SARAH: All I can think of is Freya, the Norse goddess.
KAYLA: Well, I thought it was the fray, the band.
SARAH: No
KAYLA: Both wrong. This is someone who would only experiences sexual or romantic attraction towards someone that they are not deeply connected with and lose that attraction as they get to know them.
SARAH: Right
KAYLA: So it's like the opposite of demi.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: Which is like, I feel like this also kind of goes along with like the safety thing almost of like, or that –
SARAH: Once it gets real, you're –
KAYLA: Yeah. Or like the ability to kind of like disconnect and imagine the person you want them to be because you just like see someone passing on the street or only know them like very briefly and so you can like kind of make up a lot of the other details of their life that fit to you and are attractive to you.
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SARAH: Right
KAYLA: And then the more you know them, you're like –
SARAH: Once it gets more real, your brain, your, whatever part of your body you think attraction comes from is like, no, actually not anymore.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: This is too much.
KAYLA: This reminds me, I think we have these later on the list of like when you're attracted to someone, but then once you find out that they reciprocate, you're like, actually never mind.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Yeah. It's kind of, I feel like, yeah, again, a thing that's like better in theory. And then once it's like a real person, you're like, I'm actually quite good. Thank you.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Not that you have any control over it, it’s attraction, but-
SARAH: Right.
KAYLA: But that's what your attraction-
SARAH: Your body. Gods.
KAYLA: Attraction homunculi.
SARAH: Running the fucking game controllers in your head.
KAYLA: Yeah. Recently, would you like to do a would you rather in the middle of this?
SARAH: Okay?
KAYLA: Speaking of homunculi and controlling yourself like a little video game, recently my roommate was asking us, would you rather be a little homunculus man in your brain-
SARAH: I don't know what that means.
KAYLA: Just like a little guy.
SARAH: Just a little guy.
KAYLA: Just a little you. Living in your head with like levers, like a crane controlling your body.
SARAH: Sounds horrible. I wouldn't want to be in my head.
KAYLA: Or-
SARAH: I have to do it every day. It sucks.
KAYLA: Or your body turns into a mannequin and you're just like a mannequin now.
SARAH: But my brain's in there?
KAYLA: Mhm.
SARAH: Well, here's a question. If I'm a little guy in my head-
KAYLA: You are-
SARAH: Am I still sentient outside? Am I still-
KAYLA: No. So you're-
SARAH: Do I still have a separate sentient?
KAYLA: I asked this too. Your soul is in the little guy. You are the little guy and it's just your body that you're piloting. And also what's that-
SARAH: How is that different from real life?
KAYLA: Because you have a little guy in you?
SARAH: How is that different from real life? There's a little guy in my brain and it runs my body.
KAYLA: Yeah, but that's not you.
SARAH: How? How is it not me?
KAYLA: There's not physically a little guy in your head. Unless we have something to discuss. Because also what I clarified is when the body dies, you, the little guy, can get out and go live somewhere else.
SARAH: This is- So my body's just a vessel.
KAYLA: Your body is just like your mech suit. And it's just a mech suit that you're controlling like a crane. But you're the little guy.
SARAH: So the question is- Would you rather be a little guy or a mannequin?
KAYLA: Yes.
SARAH: Would you rather be a transformer or a mannequin?
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Obviously I would be a little guy because that's basically what I already am. I think that is a very silly would you rather. And I think it's a no-brainer. And if anyone would rather be a mannequin and be fucking trapped in your consciousness in a body that literally cannot move by its own volition-
KAYLA: It can move. It's a moving mannequin. It's like a doll, okay, to clarify. It's like a little doll with hinges. And you feel less pain. Wait, maybe that was the other one. I don't know. Anyway, this has been would you rather.
SARAH: Look, if I'm going to be trapped in my consciousness, I want to have at least some control. I want to be able to pull those levers.
KAYLA: But you do have control as a mannequin. You're just like a plastic guy now.
SARAH: I feel like you would face a lot of discrimination as a mannequin.
KAYLA: Probably
SARAH: And I wouldn't want that for myself or for anyone.
KAYLA: That's fair. Anyway, this has been our new segment would you rather. Our next micro-label is graysexual or grayromantic. You know it. You love it.
SARAH: You know, you love it.
KAYLA: It's for those who relate to asexuality or aromanticism, yet feel that there are parts of their experience that those words don't fully describe. So it might be that they experience attraction but only very infrequently, or you only feel it like once and twice in your life, or you feel it more frequently but it's not as frequently as allo people. It's a wide, it's the gray area.
SARAH: It's the gray area.
KAYLA: You know?
SARAH: Try the gray stuff. It's delicious.
KAYLA: Exactly. The subsections I found under this were light graysexual or grayromantic or allo-flexible, which is that you're gray but leaning more towards the aloe side, so you're light gray. And then dark gray is that you're gray but you're leaning more to the asexual side than allo.
SARAH: Charcoal.
KAYLA: On the little spectrum. Sure.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Sure.
SARAH: Great. Fuck it up. Fuck it up, grays.
KAYLA: Fuck it up, but only if you want to.
SARAH: And in a fully consensual situation.
KAYLA: Next we have, I'm, is this an I or an L? Good question.
SARAH: Iambic pentameter.
KAYLA: Close.
SARAH: They only experience attraction to people who speak exclusively in iambic pentameter.
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SARAH: They fucking love Shakespeare.
KAYLA: Okay, it's supposed to be using the letter I. Okay. So it's Iamvanosexual or Iamvanoromantic. It's also known as accipiosexual or accipioromantic. Actually this one might only work for sexual.
SARAH: Can I look at these words? Can I see how they’re spelled?
KAYLA: I'm sharing my screen with you.
SARAH: Oh, you're screen sharing. I thought you were going to text it to me.
KAYLA: No, we can look together. Do you see this?
SARAH: I am vano. I am vano. I am, I am vano, that's a very confusing word to pronounce.
KAYLA: It's I-A-M-V-A-N-O is like the prefix.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: I think this one is only for sexual not romantic because it's someone who enjoys having sexual acts performed on them but does not want to perform the acts on others, which I think is… is that paper or stone?
SARAH: One of them.
KAYLA: So there's also words, apparently they were coined by the lesbian community. I was reading through some of these other ones, which I think stone is when you will give it but don't want to receive it. And then paper is the other way?
SARAH: I don't want a stone fabricators countertop contractor.
KAYLA: No, no
SARAH: no, no asexual stone. Yes, so is Aven circa 2012 a stone butch is a butch lesbian who doesn't want to be taught sexually and acts exclusively as a top same goes for stone fem except it's gone.
KAYLA: Okay, good to know. So the asexual fandom page that I found the definition on did a very good job of saying that this is not the same thing as like being selfish or submissive or having a sexual preference. Someone may be repulsed at the thought of performing the asexual acts, which may cause them to lose any sexual desire or attraction. And the discomfort could be caused by a lot of things, but it's not like, I am a stupid like man who refuses to go down on a woman because of whatever.
SARAH: It's not a pillow princess.
KAYLA: Yes, it's like, it's yeah, it's something you cannot control. It's not a preference. It's like, literally how your attraction is manifesting.
SARAH: Yeah. And no offense to pillow princesses, you do you. Or I guess you're not doing a lot, but
KAYLA: you don't do you. You don't do.
SARAH: You get done.
KAYLA: You get you get done, queen. Okay, the next one, is probably the one that I like have the most difficulty with and I had to look like the most places to find a solid definition. It seems like there aren't a lot of places where this one is listed. But it's itemsexual or itemromantic.
SARAH: Okay
KAYLA: So this is someone who category, I'm just going to read this whole thing to you and we can work through it together.
SARAH: Mhm
KAYLA: So this is someone who categorizes relationships and feelings as platonic or romantic
SARAH: Religious
KAYLA: Shut up. but experiences
SARAH: Platonic or religious
KAYLA: the two genders. Okay, someone who categorizes relationships and feelings as platonic or romantic, but experiences no notable internal difference. They may categorize certain categorize certain relationships as romantic instead of platonic based on age, personality, compatibility, emotional closeness, ease of living together, presence of sexual attraction or other factors. But their feelings toward the romantic interest would not be particularly distinguishable from platonic feelings, and may be similar to how they feel to a best friend or beloved family member. Yes.
SARAH: This reminds me of quoiromantic or WTF-romantic. It's just if that person decided to put this relationship in a box anyway.
KAYLA: Yes. So it says TLDR: internally experiences romantic and platonic attraction similarly, categorizes relationships and feelings as romantic versus platonic based on like outside factors
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: that are other than the actual attraction.
SARAH: Right.
KAYLA: And I think this can go for sexual too. But to me, it makes more sense for the platonic versus romantic.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: I don't quite understand like to me, at least platonic and sexual are more easily distinguishable.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Not to say that this couldn't apply, but I feel like it makes the most sense.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Platonic versus relationship if you're talking about things like age and living together and like compatibility and stuff.
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SARAH: (laughing) Well, because if you're like, I can't tell if I want to fuck if I have if I have fucking attraction, fucking attraction to you. That's a way to present that.
KAYLA: It is a way to say it.
SARAH: (laughing) Like I can't tell if I have fucking attraction to you. But I am going to call it fucking attraction and I guess I think it makes sense both ways.
KAYLA: I think it does. Yeah, I think it does make sense. I just the romantic one makes more sense to me.
SARAH: I think I think they make equal sense to me.
KAYLA: Okay, good job.
SARAH: So I'm better than you.
KAYLA: You're probably right. But yeah, this one makes sense to me, though, because like, I think you're right. It is similar to quoi or what the fuck, which is at the very bottom of our list, because it's alphabets
SARAH: because the alphabet. Why is the alphabet in the order of the alphabet?
KAYLA: I don't want to do this.
SARAH: Why is the alphabet alphabetical?
KAYLA: You wouldn't alphabetize the alphabet. Anyway.
SARAH: I don't know the order of the Korean alphabet. Anyway, continue.
KAYLA: No. Anyway, this makes sense to me. Because if you're looking at like two people and you're like, I feel the same about both of you, but I would like a romantic relationship, I'm going to pick the one that's like most compatible based on these criteria that I have
SARAH: based on my understanding of what a romantic relationship is and should be and also just like gut feeling, not got attraction, but just gut feeling.
KAYLA: Yeah, it doesn't have to be attraction, which is like why people who are aro can have romantic relationships, because it doesn't, they're a structure and a construct.
SARAH: It matters not.
KAYLA: Indeed. this will be the last one, I think.
SARAH: Great.
KAYLA: We have lithosexual or lithromantic, which is also sometimes called akoisexual or akoiromantic.
SARAH: I’ve heard this before
KAYLA: So the reason there's two names is I guess there's some controversy about like lithosexual coming from like the stone and paper thing, which is from the lesbian community. And so like, is that taking words, but there doesn't seem to be any consensus on whether litho was actually the word started in the lesbian community or whether anyone actually cares?
SARAH: Yeah, that was going to be my question. If it is a word borrowed from the lesbian community, why do we care?
KAYLA: But the thing is, I don't think it is, I'll look, let me look at exactly what the article said.
SARAH: I don't know that you can, that one queer community can appropriate from another and that, like, I don't know that that's appropriation.
KAYLA: So here's what sexuality.fandom.com said. Due to a claim of appropriating lesbian culture, some people have attempted to replace the term lithosexual with akoisexual. This is due to the fact that litho means stone. And in the lesbian community, a stone lesbian is the definition which we'll get to later.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: And I guess lithosexual could potentially be interpreted as being related to this term. It says there's not been any consensus about the term both in the asexual and lesbian community. There's no apparent evidence that this specific term lithosexual is ever commonly used by lesbians. So I think the issue was that litho is like Latin for stone and stone is used in the lesbian community.
SARAH: I think one person had a problem with it.
KAYLA: My guess is that this was a fight that happened on Tumblr once between
SARAH: Absolutely
KAYLA: some like, people that don't understand some chronically entomology or whatever. We could be wrong, though. Correct us if we're wrong.
SARAH: This seems not necessary to me. To me it seems like a very silly argument because it is absolutely true that a person from one culture and community can appropriate another culture and community even if that person is not coming from the dominant culture.
KAYLA: Yes
SARAH: That is very much possible. You see it fucking all the time in kpop. You see kpop idols appropriating black culture all the time, and it's a problem.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: But for two
KAYLA: I don't know that using a word is appropriation.
SARAH: I don't know that using a word that is like a descriptive word, not like slang, but like a descriptive word, I don't know that that's appropriation. And I don't know that the lesbian and asexual communities are far enough apart
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: to really consider that like a cross community appropriation. We're separate communities within a broader umbrella community.
KAYLA: If an aspec person described themselves as stone or paper, is that really appropriating?
SARAH: I don’t think so
KAYLA: Obviously those terms were coined by lesbians. We all agree on that, historically. They came up with it. But there's a lot of words that ace people came up with that lots of people use now because they're helpful.
SARAH: Right
KAYLA: I don't know. I'm also not a scholar.
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KAYLA: And so we could be very wrong. Let us know. I'm not a lesbian or a historian.
SARAH: I'm neither lesbian nor scholar. I was once a historian of a student organization.
KAYLA: That's true.
SARAH: Maybe at one point I was a scholar because I was a student. You were a student.
KAYLA: So the definition of this, as you might have guessed from the reference to stone. So this is someone who may experience sexual attraction, but does not want it reciprocated. So they may be uncomfortable with someone, the thought of someone else being attracted to them or they may lose their attraction once they learn that it's reciprocated.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: So they're like, I'll like you, but you stay over there.
SARAH: Stay over there please.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: This may just be me projecting in this maybe the allanormativity ingrained in me. That seems like a tough way to live.
KAYLA: What do you mean?
SARAH: Just like if you feel attraction towards somebody, but then I guess maybe not. I guess maybe it's just me being like, well, if you feel attraction, you would want to do something about it. But then if you do something about it, you lose the attraction. But if that's your whole life, it's like the way that I just don't have attraction. It's not a bad thing. It's just what it is.
KAYLA: That's assuming that A, everyone wants to act on their attraction
SARAH: Right
KAYLA: and B, once the attraction goes away, they can't act on it anymore. There's nothing stopping a person from like, oh no, you were reciprocated. I don't feel attracted to you anymore, but you could still date or fuck them. You just wouldn't have the attraction anymore.
SARAH: I forgot about that.
KAYLA: It's a tough one.
SARAH: I was just like, oh, well, I guess you're into someone and then they start being into you. You just have to be like, no, but that's not what you can do whatever the fuck you want. You can do it.
KAYLA: I mean, obviously it makes it different when you're not attracted to them, but you can do whatever you want. It feels to me like maybe people that would really use this micro label and be part of this community maybe wouldn't if it's so important to them that they take it on as a label, but I don't know.
SARAH: Yeah. That could just be allonormativity ingrained in me being like, or a amatonormativity too being like, you should want this. You should want it to be reciprocated. I'm shitting and I should be punished.
KAYLA: Don't. You should not be shoulding. Unbelievable.
SARAH: I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry for what I've done on this day.
KAYLA: We're all learning together, you know?
SARAH: Truly.
KAYLA: Oh, great.
SARAH: Kayla
KAYLA: that's it.
SARAH: We're going to have to come back to this again. What's our poll for this week?
KAYLA: Would you rather be a mannequin or a little guy inside your brain?
SARAH: I have been thinking about this since I said it. I do want to clarify that when I was talking about being trapped in your consciousness and not being able to move, obviously paralyzed people exist and paraplegic people exist and that is a life that they lead. But I, correct
me if I'm wrong, I don't think there's anyone out there who is like, I would love to become a paraplegic.
KAYLA: I doubt it. But again, you can move as this mannequin. You just have hinges like a wooden-
SARAH: I think the discrimination would be a problem.
KAYLA: The wooden figure dolls that do the joint.
SARAH: I don't know what you're talking about. I think you would be heartily discriminated against in the way that there would be ableism abound. There would be mannequinism.
KAYLA: Keep in mind though, when you're the little guy mecking your body, it's harder to move because you just have a couple levers.
SARAH: I would be good at it.
KAYLA: You also, as little guys-
SARAH: Ooh, it might be bad for my wrist. Do I have the same problems with my body as a little guy that I do now?
KAYLA: I don't know. I'd have to ask my roommate. It's his question. But keep in mind, as the little guy, you feel 100% pain from your outside body. But as the mannequin, you feel less pain because you're plastic slash wood.
SARAH: Plastic or wood? Jared. Jared, am I wood? Am I made out of wood?
KAYLA: Let me see if he's around.
SARAH: I have so many questions.
KAYLA: I'll get him in here. I said, you up?
SARAH: You up, bitch?
KAYLA: While we wait. That's the poll. Come here. He's coming to consult.
SARAH: Good. Thank you. Can we talk about my incredible skills of deduction?
KAYLA: That you knew it was Jared that asked?
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KAYLA: How did you though? Tell me everything.
SARAH: Well, because you called them your roommate, and you used he, him pronouns. You would be weird if you called Dean your roommate.
KAYLA: It would be. Step down, really.
SARAH: If I'm a mannequin, whether I'm wood or whether I'm plastic, fire would be a huge problem. Now, you could say to me, fire is also a huge problem to humans if you're standing in it. Correct.
KAYLA: But less, more repairable.
SARAH: Yes, less of an immediate.
KAYLA: Slower burn.
SARAH: The burn is slower. And you won't necessarily melt in the way that plastic would.
KAYLA: Am I going to be able to have him?
SARAH: I don't know. I think we've taken this too far, and now I'm stressed.
KAYLA: No, he's coming now.
SARAH: I know. That's why I'm stressed.
KAYLA: I'm just trying to figure out how we'll both be able to hear you. Taking his sweet time, I'll tell you what.
SARAH: I just, I just, I just want to know.
KAYLA: I have some clarifying questions about the homunculus versus come be on the come come come be on the podcast. So I posed the mannequin versus homunculus to Sarah and she has some clarifying questions. So I'm going to give you the headphones.
JARED: Okay. Okay. Hi.
SARAH: If I'm a mannequin, what am I made out of?
JARED: Normal, like normal mannequin, I guess.
KAYLA: Plastic?
SARAH: What about like the little wood dudes?
KAYLA: Because I also, I told her about the wooden figure doll.
SARAH: Because Kayla was telling me about hinges.
KAYLA: Because it has joints, right? You have full joint mobility.
JARED: I think, I think any mannequin that you so choose is up for grabs. You could be a wooden, because I think that, I think that there are pros and cons to wood versus plastic mannequin that are like in and of their own conversation.
KAYLA: But we decided right that the homunculus feels a hundred percent pain, but as a mannequin, you feel less pain, right?
JARED: Yes, correct.
KAYLA: Yes.
SARAH: Here's the thing. Here's okay. Here's the thing. When you say mannequin, the thing I picture is like a plastic mannequin that like the elbows can't bend and like the knees can't bend. And it also reminds me of that one episode of Dr. Who where the mannequins like come to life. And that's a problem. I think it was actually the first episode back with the ninth doctor. Like it's, if you, if you know, you know.
JARED: Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're okay. So like the mannequins fully, fully moving joints, right? But all of the joints are fully moving. All of the joints are normally moving. Like you, so cons to that one are you don't have like full muscle mass. So you're not
as strong. Oh, you're very small.
KAYLA: And you're very, oh yeah, that's right. You're also a small mannequin. I forgot about that.
JARED: And you're brittle.
SARAH: Yeah. Literally. Why, why would anyone choose mannequin? Jared
JARED: picture? Like, I don't know, like a one foot tall mannequin.
SARAH: Okay. When I was, that is a nutcracker.
JARED: When I was, when I was asking the question, I was like American girl doll, but like, make it work with the little teeth. Yes. So like American girl doll. And you still kind of feel pain. SARAH: Do I, do I have to go through what the American girl doll went through? Like if I'm Felicity, do I have to go through the U S revolutionary war? If I'm Addie, do I have to experience slavery?
JARED: You have to go through, in the case of my sister's American girl doll, you have to go through getting your hand bitten off by my dog and serving as a perpetual monument to the errors of man.
SARAH: Do you know what American girl your sister had? Was it like one of the ones that looks like you?
JARED: Yeah. I want to be grafted onto a plastic menagerie.
SARAH: Yeah. I was hoping you would say it was one of the historical ones and you could be like, not only did Kit Kittridge have to live through the depression, she also had her hand taken off.
JARED: Wait, what's the, what's the one that like worked in the factories or like there's one that like, cause like she would absolutely get her hand like ripped off from working in the factories. It was like the, like the industrial revolution one. You know what I'm talking about? Because like whatever the one,
SARAH: Kit? Molly? It might’ve been Molly
JARED: the one that worked through the industrial revolution, like she absolutely got her hand bit off by a dog. Like I hate to break it to you
SARAH: Oh, Samantha, fucking Samantha. Samantha's a bitch. Samantha's a Karen.
JARED: Tell me how you feel
SARAH: Samantha. Samantha.
KAYLA: Samantha's a cunt.
SARAH: There's a really good Instagram page that's just like American.
KAYLA: Dean’s here now. He’s confused. We were talking mannequin versus homunculus and Sarah had a lot of qualifying questions for Jared. Bye.
SARAH: There's a really good, there's a really good Instagram that's just American girl memes and
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SARAH: oh, it's so good. And they were talking about how Samantha is totally a bitch in real life.
JARED: I'm sorry. Why is, why is, why is she bad?
SARAH: Look at her, look at her.
KAYLA: She's a bitch.
JARED: I mean, she got her hand bit off by my childhood dog.
SARAH: Probably because she was a bitch. Listen, if you're a Samantha lover
KAYLA: Isn’t Samantha that –?
SARAH: my sister owned Samantha.
KAYLA: Let me look
SARAH: I don't, I'm, I'm not like, I'm not like a Samantha hater on principle. I just think of all the American girl dolls, she's definitely the most Karen.
JARED: So like not officially, not like official retcon, but does it change your answer if I say you get put in a Bratz doll?
SARAH: Why would I want to remove my feet?
JARED: Some people don't want feet.
SARAH: Why would I want to remove my feet?
JARED: I could see conceivably why someone would not want feet.
SARAH: I would either have to have no feet or I would have to be wearing shoes. You know how much I hate that? I don't want to wear shoes.
JARED: You can wear them Polly pocket shoes
SARAH: that does not fit a Bratz. Are you kidding? Bratz doll feet are gigantic.
JARED: Oh, they have big feet? I thought they had like no feet.
SARAH: They have big feet, but you can remove the whole foot to change their shoes. You take the whole foot off.
JARED: Bro. What? Kayla's over here looking up like the Samantha doll.
KAYLA: Well, I can only hear Jared's side of the conversation so I have no idea what's going on. JARED: We're talking about Bratz and their big feet.
SARAH: The thing with Bratz is to change their shoes. You have to change out their feet. It's not like Barbies or Polly pockets where they have feet attached to them and then you put the shoe on them. It's like you change out the whole foot.
JARED: I want to, I want to experience eating a Polly pocket accoutrement for the first time again.
SARAH: I mean…
JARED: that joy was something I think we're all chasing as adults.
SARAH: I never did it because I am a good child.
KAYLA: I found out why she's a bitch.
SARAH: Why is she a bitch?
KAYLA: She has a friend named Nellie who's like poor and Samantha's really rich. And so she's always like, Oh my God, Nellie, like why are you so poor?
JARED: Samantha's like, I'm a poor ally.
KAYLA: (laughing) No, literally. Samantha's a poor ally. And it's like, this is embarrassing. Stop. Damn. She's like, here Nellie, I'll give you my old doll. Will this fix it?
SARAH: And you know what's in that doll?
JARED: That's so meta.
SARAH: Fucking Jared's consciousness. Jared's consciousness is in that doll and it's terrifying.
JARED: My consciousness got stuck in this doll. That was then sent to the factories. I mean the children crave the mines. So anyway
SARAH: we have to stop this. Yeah.
JARED: What are you picking?
SARAH: I got it.
JARED: You got to pick your answer.
SARAH: I am still fucking picking little guy. There is no universe in which I pick mannequin.
JARED: I mean, that's, that's fair.
KAYLA: That's what she picked. Little guy. I picked a little guy.
SARAH: Because once your body dies, you get to go live in a tree or something. You get like basically two lives. So honestly, you're a transformer.
JARED: I get it. Transformers.
KAYLA: Yes. Thank you so much for joining us.
SARAH: Thank you so much. What a delight.
KAYLA: Thank you so much.
SARAH: That added a clean 12 minutes onto the podcast. Okay.
KAYLA: Yeah. I could only hear Jared's side of the conversation. I was trying my best to lip read Sarah. but I don't know what just happened.
SARAH: I was teaching Jared about how Bratz feet work.
KAYLA: that's good.
SARAH: What's your juice and your beef?
KAYLA: My juice is that my juice is also, I'm getting, I'm getting an apple credit card. I have the apple credit card now and it can't, it's a titanium. It's a metal card, the physical one.
SARAH: Oh it’s that fancy fucking shit
KAYLA: So I get to sound rich and I'll drop it on the table and I say
SARAH: Whoop
KAYLA: let me buy my Kraft mac and cheese.
SARAH: And then, and then it'll get rejected because you've gone over your credit limit of $10.
KAYLA: Yeah, exactly. but that's exciting
KAYLA: my beef, that cat got in here.
SARAH: Wow.
KAYLA: She's so slippery. My beef is.
SARAH: Kayla's beef is that I'm warm.
KAYLA: Yeah. I hate that.
SARAH: I think it's probably because I left my curtains open and it started getting hot today. And also is the, did we turn the AC back on? I don't know. We had it on and then we turned it off because it was got cold. Yeah. I don't know. okay. My juice is that I impulse bought a letter opener called stabby crabby that I found on TikTok. It is a 3d printed crab. It's holding a knife
KAYLA: That’s very exciting
SARAH: and the knife is a letter opener. And I found it on TikTok. And well, I found a different thing on TikTok. And then I was looking at this person's store and I was like, Oh my God, stabby, grabby. I've been meaning to get a letter opener because honestly, letter openers helpful.
KAYLA: Fancy
SARAH: so that's my juice. My beef is, in addition to me being warm, my obsessive compulsive behaviors are getting worse.
KAYLA: What if we found a therapist? Teehee.
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KAYLA: Respectfully.
SARAH: I did just take a bite out of my mic and now there's cat hair in my mouth.
KAYLA: Yum.
SARAH: That was my reaction to that.
KAYLA: I was, at the beach this weekend, like for a weekend, packed a thing, was wearing like a swimsuit. Anyway, whatever. I was fully in a different city and found a cat hair on me. And I \ was like, this is not, I'm at the beach and one of my cat's hair was there.
SARAH: Always with you.
KAYLA: Exactly.
SARAH: Alright. You can tell us about your beef, your juice, your therapist recommendations. They have to take my insurance on our social media @soundsfakepod, we also have a Patreon if you want to support us that way so that I can pay for therapists. patreon.com/soundsfakepod. Our, uh, $5 patrons who we are promoting this week are Hadas Drukker, Jackie Rubashkin, Jacob Weber, Jennifer Smart, Jessica Shea. We also have a new $5 patrons, actually a five euro patron.
KAYLA: Ooh
SARAH: it is a person and it is spelled J-O-C-H. Now that could be just a fun, funky, fresh way of spelling Josh. It could be Yoch. It could be Hoch. I don't know what language it's coming from. It's in a euro. So like that's not super helpful.
KAYLA: Could be anything.
SARAH: It could be several. Uso I don't know how to say your name, but I think you're great. And I appreciate you. Our –
KAYLA: thank you so much
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KAYLA: It's good.
SARAH: Because, because it is a name that people-
KAYLA: Makes you sound snappy.
SARAH: It is a name that people can pronounce, but it's unique. And so your name's not John Smith. No disrespect to the John Smiths of the world, but your parents-
KAYLA: Ya boring.
SARAH: anyway, Boston Smith also went above and beyond. And by that, I mean, they met the minimum that we asked for, which is telling us what you want to promote. thank you Boston. They would like to promote their YouTube and TikTok, which are both @yerbuddyBoston, Y-E-R, buddy Boston. Kind of a slay, you ask me.
KAYLA: Follow it.
SARAH: Thanks Boston. our 15 15 patrons. Our 15 patrons. 15 dollar patrons are Andrew Hillum who would like to promote the Invisible Spectrum Podcast, Changeling and Alex the Ace Cat, StarshipChangeling.net, Click4Caroline who would like to promote Ace of Hearts, Dia Chappell, Twitch.tv/Melody Dia, Hector Murillo who would like to promote friends that are supportive, constructive, and help you grow as a better person, John Young. I'm so sorry to John Young, but your parents didn't give you a name as good as Boston Smith.
KAYLA: It's okay. Our dads’ name are John too.
SARAH: Yeah, both of our dad's names are. My name is Sarah. Okay. I'm like, I'm not, I'm not on a high horse here.
KAYLA: It's tough out here.
SARAH: It's tough out here. M-M-Maff who would like to promote Catching Up on the Podcast After Two Years, Nathaniel White- NathanielJWhiteDesigns.com, Kayla’s Aunt Nina who would like to promote Kate MaggartArt.com, and Sara Jones who feels my pain, but even worse because spelled without an H and that's…
KAYLA: tough.
SARAH: A little embarrassing. Not your fault, but a little embarrassing. Unless you were the one that named yourself Sara, in which case it is your fault. But I, I don't think that that's what happened. @eternalloli everywhere. Our $20 Patrons, Sabrina Hauck, Christmas, Dragonfly who would like to promote I've Said It on the PoD before and I'll say it again. If you are in a position to give yourself your own name, I would recommend not it being Sarah. Just a recommendation. Thanks for listening. Tune in next Sunday for more of us in your ears. And actually we will here be next Sunday.
KAYLA: And until then, take good care of your cows.
SARAH: I guess you can name your cow Sarah. I think, I think a cow named Sarah would be kind of charming.
SARAH: Welcome back.
KAYLA: (Australian accent?) Alright. Alright. Alright mate, shut the fuck up. Oi, suck my balls mate.
SARAH: (Vaguely Australian accent) No. Oh no. I'm so sorry to all Aussies right now.
KAYLA: Yes, they really hate us I do think.
SARAH: I'm so sorry. We're back. I'll put it at the end. No, this isn't going in the main thing. Are you kidding? We're leaving. Aussie accents are so hard for Americans to do. I'm not putting this at the top of the fucking episode.
KAYLA: Alright.
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